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Do you have any evidence tying the IQ race-gap to biology? It seems you're making quite a large jump there with not a whole lot of evidence.

an27 9y ago
I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. I guess my easy acceptance of that as a potential factor is founded on my belief that IQ is largely genetic. My divorced-parents upbringing certainly was less than optimal but my IQ is still pretty high like my parents', and then there's also the fact that IQ is 75% hereditary[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. But while IQ capacity is heritable, it's equally well demonstrated that various adverse environmental factors (exposure to virtually all of which are increased on probability/severity by low socioeconomic status) negatively impacts IQ. Of course, when a population is enslaved and subjected to artificial selective emphasizing suitability for menial labor, genetics are themselves a product of adverse socioeconomic position; of course, with even moderate interbreeding with outside populations, that effect should erode, though it will take many generations to be reduced to background noise.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  >I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. I'm just asking you to validate your claims with some evidence (the S in STEM). >I guess my easy acceptance of that as a potential factor is founded on my belief that IQ is largely genetic. My divorced-parents upbringing certainly was less than optimal but my IQ is still pretty high like my parents', and then there's also the fact that IQ is 75% hereditary[0]. Of course I believe in heritability. What I don't believe is that there is a basis in saying that a pool of Africans is biologically determined to have a lower average IQ than a pool of Whites. It seems that you believe that so I'm asking for any evidence of it.

an27 9y ago

I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. I guess my easy acceptance of that as a potential factor is founded on my belief that IQ is largely genetic. My divorced-parents upbringing certainly was less than optimal but my IQ is still pretty high like my parents', and then there's also the fact that IQ is 75% hereditary[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

dragonwriter 9y ago
> I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. But while IQ capacity is heritable, it's equally well demonstrated that various adverse environmental factors (exposure to virtually all of which are increased on probability/severity by low socioeconomic status) negatively impacts IQ. Of course, when a population is enslaved and subjected to artificial selective emphasizing suitability for menial labor, genetics are themselves a product of adverse socioeconomic position; of course, with even moderate interbreeding with outside populations, that effect should erode, though it will take many generations to be reduced to background noise.
frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>I think it's as much or less of a jump to say "a group with low IQ has that because of their genes, as IQ is genetic" than to say "a group has low IQ because of socioeconomic factors", but then again I'm a certified member of the Church of STEM. I'm just asking you to validate your claims with some evidence (the S in STEM). >I guess my easy acceptance of that as a potential factor is founded on my belief that IQ is largely genetic. My divorced-parents upbringing certainly was less than optimal but my IQ is still pretty high like my parents', and then there's also the fact that IQ is 75% hereditary[0]. Of course I believe in heritability. What I don't believe is that there is a basis in saying that a pool of Africans is biologically determined to have a lower average IQ than a pool of Whites. It seems that you believe that so I'm asking for any evidence of it.