I agree with this. I've seen the same but the core problem is we don't learn from others mistakes: we prefer to rely on our own tool-making skills to demonstra

I agree with this. I've seen the same but the core problem is we don't learn from others mistakes: we prefer to rely on our own tool-making skills to demonstrate increased facility while making similar mistakes. The thing missing in developers that I have decried over and over in this devop/agile movement is that SAs had discipline and an ordered idea and that developers exist to perturb the norm to better effect. The two ideas are not readily reconcilable.