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> Just treat people as fairly as possible. Wow, man, you just like, solved racism and discrimination.

Danihan 9y ago
Discrimination can't be "solved" because 1. People are genetically different and 2. Anyone can have biases about anything. I could shut down every interviewee with big ears, or beady eyes, if I wanted to. Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity.
- malchow 9y ago
  +1; and, even if poster above had a proposed methodology for proving discrimination, he couldn't show how such discrimination, over a population of hundreds of millions over decades and over trillions of minute decisions, nets out, since discrimination runs in all directions at all times.
- HarryHirsch 9y ago
  I encourage you to teach a science course for non-majors at a local university that serves minorities. Unless you are intentionally blind the experience will be enlightening. The variation in quality of high schools in the US is astounding and needs to be experienced first-hand. Where does the talk about genetic variation and unconscious bias even come from? It's not relevant in this context.
  - Danihan 9y ago
    That's like saying I need to go live in a bad neighborhood to understand they are bad. Or that I need to do opiates firsthand to understand they feel good. I 100% realize that there is massive variation in high school quality. It doesn't astound me. [1] What does that have to do with making college admissions fair and standardized? [1] http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-schools-no-students-proficient-in-state-tests http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-s...
- sanjeetsuhag 9y ago
  > Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity. Another ground breaking discovery! Everyone has equal opportunity in this world. Poverty, discrimination and access to quality education are completely fictional. Keep these thoughts coming man, I'm writing you up for the Noble Prize.
  - ManlyBread 9y ago
    There is a lot of angst in your reply, but no alternatives to what the OP is proposing.
    - jacalata 9y ago
      the alternative is what OP is attacking - affirmative action.
      - ManlyBread 9y ago
        Which doesn't seem to work very well, as shown by the source link for example.
- evanlivingston 9y ago
  Why can't we prioritize overhauling systematic oppression by calling attention to it and occasionally giving advantages to people who have historically been disadvantaged?

Discrimination can't be "solved" because 1. People are genetically different and 2. Anyone can have biases about anything. I could shut down every interviewee with big ears, or beady eyes, if I wanted to. Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity.

malchow 9y ago
+1; and, even if poster above had a proposed methodology for proving discrimination, he couldn't show how such discrimination, over a population of hundreds of millions over decades and over trillions of minute decisions, nets out, since discrimination runs in all directions at all times.
HarryHirsch 9y ago
I encourage you to teach a science course for non-majors at a local university that serves minorities. Unless you are intentionally blind the experience will be enlightening. The variation in quality of high schools in the US is astounding and needs to be experienced first-hand. Where does the talk about genetic variation and unconscious bias even come from? It's not relevant in this context.
- Danihan 9y ago
  That's like saying I need to go live in a bad neighborhood to understand they are bad. Or that I need to do opiates firsthand to understand they feel good. I 100% realize that there is massive variation in high school quality. It doesn't astound me. [1] What does that have to do with making college admissions fair and standardized? [1] http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-schools-no-students-proficient-in-state-tests http://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-s...
sanjeetsuhag 9y ago
> Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity. Another ground breaking discovery! Everyone has equal opportunity in this world. Poverty, discrimination and access to quality education are completely fictional. Keep these thoughts coming man, I'm writing you up for the Noble Prize.
- ManlyBread 9y ago
  There is a lot of angst in your reply, but no alternatives to what the OP is proposing.
  - jacalata 9y ago
    the alternative is what OP is attacking - affirmative action.
    - ManlyBread 9y ago
      Which doesn't seem to work very well, as shown by the source link for example.
evanlivingston 9y ago
Why can't we prioritize overhauling systematic oppression by calling attention to it and occasionally giving advantages to people who have historically been disadvantaged?