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Serbia, sure, UK definitely, but Russia?
by simonkamronn 9y ago
Serbia, sure, UK definitely, but Russia?
- gambiting 9y agoHalf of Russia's landmass(and almost all of its capital cities) is firmly in Europe, so why not?
- varjag 9y agoNoone cares about landmass.
- thriftwy 9y agoMost of Russia's population also in Europe. What do you care about then? Exceptionalism?
- varjag 9y agoMost of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values - all of them. Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you?
- thriftwy 9y agoI must've missed that referendum you are quoting here?
- ionised 9y ago> Most of Russian population insists they want nothing to do with Europe or European values That's irrelevant. We're talking about continents, not political and cultural leanings. > Does landmass outweighs their opinion for you Yes. Continental boundaries are well defined.
- varjag 9y agoIt's pointless to talk about comparing salaries in Europe unless there's some market continuity and no significant barriers for workforce. Absolutely not the case with Russia vs Europe, relocation at will without preexisting employment guarantee/sponsorship is not possible. If you want to stick to the continent though, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine and Turkey should be there as well. Belarus and Ukraine in particular have IT/developer markets of same magnitude as Russia.
- gambiting 9y agoBut major cities, and therefore most of the workforce, are in Europe. I mean what else, are you going to make the argument that Russia belongs in Asia more than in Europe?
- varjag 9y agoIt does not belong to Asia either. Russians distance themselves from the both insisting on their own, superior God chosen ways.
- gambiting 9y agoWhat Russians think is irrelevant - their country lies across both Europe and Asia, so if we want to get an overview of "European" workers, then yes, Russians do absolutely count.
- varjag 9y agoSo you insist Russians left of Urals are European, and right of it are Asian?
- gambiting 9y agoWhat else could they be? Martians? They can even call themselves Australian if they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that anything West of Urals is continental Europe. Moscow, most importantly, is a European city, regardless of how Russians feel about such description.
- varjag 9y agoWhich brings us to my original point again: noone cares where the landmass is. Russia does not identify with Europe by choice. On Russian TV there is nothing but mocking Europe and all it stands for; majority of Russians poll as actively hostile to Europe. Russians can't freely travel across Europe (nor can Europeans to Russia). Russia conducts military exercises simulating attacks on European capitals, and actively works to undermine and disintegrate European institutions. Why do you people insist Russia has to be on the list is beyond me.
- rublev 9y agoRussia is European culturally not geographically.
- arethuza 9y agoSo what continent is Moscow in?
- kowdermeister 9y agoPutin
- rublev 9y agoRussia.
- ionised 9y agoEurope and Asia, so Eurasia?
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