4 ms·

I wonder how many disengagements per unit of distance your average human has...

by kylegordon 9y ago

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
If you ignore low speed, low visibility parking lot stuff many people will go their whole lives without being in an accident that they are at least partially responsible for.
- organsnyder 9y ago
  A "disengagement" isn't defined as an at-fault accident, though—it's a situation where the AI is unsure what to do, so it reverts to human control. I think the equivalent for a human driver would be a situation where they're unsure what to do, so they freeze up, or proceed extremely cautiously. I'm not prone to freezing up, but I've definitely encountered situations where I'm uncertain to the point that I proceed with the utmost of caution.
  - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
    My point was that an at fault accident is an obvious case of a situation a human cannot handle and that it at least tells us something about the rate at which humans "disengage". Human disengagement isn't easy to define. People don't just say "well this is too confusing, I'm just gonna turn control over to someone else". To define disengagement you need to define a performance minimum. An accident is about the lowest floor you can set to I used that. I would personally say that if you hit the brake on an on ramp while traveling slower than the highway traffic you're "disengaged." People and AI generally travel as fast as they can while maintaining a sufficient safety factor (e.g. people generally don't tailgate each other at triple digit speed and drive slower in snow). If someone's personal safety factor/comfort level requires several minutes of everyone else honking while they wait for a space fit for a semi-truck before pulling their Prius into traffic that may be acceptable to them but if an AI did that I think most people would say that's a failure even if the AI didn't turn control over to a human.

4 ms·

I wonder how many disengagements per unit of distance your average human has...

by kylegordon 9y ago

I wonder how many disengagements per unit of distance your average human has...

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
If you ignore low speed, low visibility parking lot stuff many people will go their whole lives without being in an accident that they are at least partially responsible for.
- organsnyder 9y ago
  A "disengagement" isn't defined as an at-fault accident, though—it's a situation where the AI is unsure what to do, so it reverts to human control. I think the equivalent for a human driver would be a situation where they're unsure what to do, so they freeze up, or proceed extremely cautiously. I'm not prone to freezing up, but I've definitely encountered situations where I'm uncertain to the point that I proceed with the utmost of caution.
  - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
    My point was that an at fault accident is an obvious case of a situation a human cannot handle and that it at least tells us something about the rate at which humans "disengage". Human disengagement isn't easy to define. People don't just say "well this is too confusing, I'm just gonna turn control over to someone else". To define disengagement you need to define a performance minimum. An accident is about the lowest floor you can set to I used that. I would personally say that if you hit the brake on an on ramp while traveling slower than the highway traffic you're "disengaged." People and AI generally travel as fast as they can while maintaining a sufficient safety factor (e.g. people generally don't tailgate each other at triple digit speed and drive slower in snow). If someone's personal safety factor/comfort level requires several minutes of everyone else honking while they wait for a space fit for a semi-truck before pulling their Prius into traffic that may be acceptable to them but if an AI did that I think most people would say that's a failure even if the AI didn't turn control over to a human.