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Not sure what will happen, I want both this and Aadhar.

srean 9y ago
Could you elaborate on your definition of 'Aadhaar', or stated in other words what is it that you want 'Aadhaar' to provide ?
- eklavya 9y ago
  The plea is also about invalidating Aadhar, if that is also done it would be a huge setback to all developmental activities. A safeguarded, private Aadhar is the way to go in my opinion.
  - saifalfalah 9y ago
    Any development activity that can be done with Aadhar, can be done without it too.
    - eklavya 9y ago
      That has been tried for decades with rampant corruption and needy missing the aid.
      - srean 9y ago
        And why would that change with Aadhaar ? Corruption is hardly a technology issue, especially in an environment where corruption is so passe and enjoys patronage from the entirety of the polictical spectrum. Example, to disrupt the blackmarket of kerosene they started dyeing it, and that mattered zilch, because people were selling and buying dyed kereosene in the blackmarket without batting an eyelid. Everyone looked the otherway... wink wink.
        eklavya 9y ago
        It's not a matter of would, it already has. So many subsidy/benefits accounts have been closed. Just search for news stories on this.
        srean 9y ago
        I doubt that is anything new. Political parties in power try to squelch the money stream of its competitors. Aadhaar or no Aadhaar they will find a way and have (sometimes they would rather look the otherway and share the 'profits'). On a related but tangential set of events: none of the bigwigs caught in the demonetization net had connections with the current party in power, but had patrons among the others. It is possible that the current party (/alliance) is so pristine and pure that they none of their members have any link with the illegal cash hoarders and there is no actionable evidence. I just dont find that a realistic explanation. A claim like that will need a lot stronger evidence. But anyway, you did not comment on the fact that corruption is not a technological problem and technology will not solve it (and has not solved it). It still would be great to know why would Aadhaar succeed where others have not. BTW I am sincerely willing to be convinced, but I do swear by the guideline that exceptional claims need comparably exceptional evidence or a reason.
        eklavya 9y ago
        You may think I don't have an argument and rightfully so, but honestly I don't care enough to search for all the news items where this was established.
        srean 9y ago
        > You may think I don't have an argument Not at all. I want to learn and soak in the opinion and form/reform my own. I am quite sure citizens on the different sides of this argument have sincere good intentions as their motivations.
        ahamedirshad123 9y ago
        Like this one? http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/05/24/in-two-villages-in-up-and-rajasthean-aadhaar-cards-have-a-story_a_22106535/ http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/05/24/in-two-villages-in-u...

Could you elaborate on your definition of 'Aadhaar', or stated in other words what is it that you want 'Aadhaar' to provide ?

eklavya 9y ago
The plea is also about invalidating Aadhar, if that is also done it would be a huge setback to all developmental activities. A safeguarded, private Aadhar is the way to go in my opinion.
- saifalfalah 9y ago
  Any development activity that can be done with Aadhar, can be done without it too.
  - eklavya 9y ago
    That has been tried for decades with rampant corruption and needy missing the aid.
    - srean 9y ago
      And why would that change with Aadhaar ? Corruption is hardly a technology issue, especially in an environment where corruption is so passe and enjoys patronage from the entirety of the polictical spectrum. Example, to disrupt the blackmarket of kerosene they started dyeing it, and that mattered zilch, because people were selling and buying dyed kereosene in the blackmarket without batting an eyelid. Everyone looked the otherway... wink wink.
      - eklavya 9y ago
        It's not a matter of would, it already has. So many subsidy/benefits accounts have been closed. Just search for news stories on this.
        srean 9y ago
        I doubt that is anything new. Political parties in power try to squelch the money stream of its competitors. Aadhaar or no Aadhaar they will find a way and have (sometimes they would rather look the otherway and share the 'profits'). On a related but tangential set of events: none of the bigwigs caught in the demonetization net had connections with the current party in power, but had patrons among the others. It is possible that the current party (/alliance) is so pristine and pure that they none of their members have any link with the illegal cash hoarders and there is no actionable evidence. I just dont find that a realistic explanation. A claim like that will need a lot stronger evidence. But anyway, you did not comment on the fact that corruption is not a technological problem and technology will not solve it (and has not solved it). It still would be great to know why would Aadhaar succeed where others have not. BTW I am sincerely willing to be convinced, but I do swear by the guideline that exceptional claims need comparably exceptional evidence or a reason.
        eklavya 9y ago
        You may think I don't have an argument and rightfully so, but honestly I don't care enough to search for all the news items where this was established.
        srean 9y ago
        > You may think I don't have an argument Not at all. I want to learn and soak in the opinion and form/reform my own. I am quite sure citizens on the different sides of this argument have sincere good intentions as their motivations.
        ahamedirshad123 9y ago
        Like this one? http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/05/24/in-two-villages-in-up-and-rajasthean-aadhaar-cards-have-a-story_a_22106535/ http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/05/24/in-two-villages-in-u...