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This kind of attitude frustrates me. It takes the stance that the world should change to make it best for your own personal situation. Take charge of your own

by brad0 9y ago

This kind of attitude frustrates me. It takes the stance that the world should change to make it best for your own personal situation. Take charge of your own decisions and work out what actions you can do to make your situation better. https://simpleprogrammer.com/2016/10/10/salary-negotiation-software-developers/ https://simpleprogrammer.com/2016/10/10/salary-negotiation-s...

perfmode 9y ago
You assume its in the best interest of labor to be "every man for himself". Collective bargaining is a thing, you know?
- dsacco 9y ago
  I think the commenter is aware of collective bargaining, but probably prefers individual bargaining. It's not really about the "best interest of labor"; personally, I wouldn't work in an industry with collective bargaining.
tiggybear 9y ago
I think people just realize that employee pay is often never tied to how much value an employee provides, but rather how much leverage an employee has. This gets confusing as employers often view leverage as value, but it's a different type of value compared to volume of output (which is how many employees would define their value). So it stands to reason that if employees want to "take charge of their own decisions" it is directly tied to the decisions of their co-workers. You can't increase your leverage if your co-workers deleverage themselves/decide they don't care about money. I don't understand how you don't understand this.
- elyrly 9y ago
  Valid points
hedgedoops2 9y ago
Why shouldn't it? While "How can I change to adapt?" may be the more productive reaction to most personal problems, the "This is unfair. How can the world change to accomodate me?" reaction is, in fact, the one that is more altruistic. This is how society discovery ways to improve laws. By complaining intelligently and in a way that considers others' needs besides your own, you are contributing to society. This is costing you time, therefore you are actually sacrificing something to help others. Yet people always get this condescending reaction from conservatives. That, and it's just painful to see people endorse unfairness as some kind of natural law. The amount of natural law is very limited. Almost everything is possible, apart from perpetual motion and the like.

by brad0 9y ago

perfmode 9y ago

You assume its in the best interest of labor to be "every man for himself". Collective bargaining is a thing, you know?

dsacco 9y ago
I think the commenter is aware of collective bargaining, but probably prefers individual bargaining. It's not really about the "best interest of labor"; personally, I wouldn't work in an industry with collective bargaining.

tiggybear 9y ago

I think people just realize that employee pay is often never tied to how much value an employee provides, but rather how much leverage an employee has. This gets confusing as employers often view leverage as value, but it's a different type of value compared to volume of output (which is how many employees would define their value). So it stands to reason that if employees want to "take charge of their own decisions" it is directly tied to the decisions of their co-workers. You can't increase your leverage if your co-workers deleverage themselves/decide they don't care about money. I don't understand how you don't understand this.

elyrly 9y ago
Valid points

hedgedoops2 9y ago

Why shouldn't it? While "How can I change to adapt?" may be the more productive reaction to most personal problems, the "This is unfair. How can the world change to accomodate me?" reaction is, in fact, the one that is more altruistic. This is how society discovery ways to improve laws. By complaining intelligently and in a way that considers others' needs besides your own, you are contributing to society. This is costing you time, therefore you are actually sacrificing something to help others. Yet people always get this condescending reaction from conservatives. That, and it's just painful to see people endorse unfairness as some kind of natural law. The amount of natural law is very limited. Almost everything is possible, apart from perpetual motion and the like.