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> Why not get on a plane go to Morocco (a country with an extremely complex extradition process)? Why don't people in poor countries just move to better countr

by Swizec 9y ago

> Why not get on a plane go to Morocco (a country with an extremely complex extradition process)? Why don't people in poor countries just move to better countries? Why do people stay in the rust belt instead of moving to the coast? Why do people on the coast whine about rent instead of moving inland? Leaving everything you know is hard. To quote a famous quote > I always wonder why birds choose to stay in the same place when they can fly anywhere on the earth, then I ask myself the same question.”

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celim307 9y ago
Not really a good analogy as the limiting factor in your scenarios is often money
- badestrand 9y ago
  No, it is a valid point. Take Germany for example: In the neighbouring country Switzerland you can easily earn twice as much and the higher living costs only cancel out a part of the difference. >80% of Germans would have the money to move and would be much better off and still only very few do it (<2%). Same with all the unemployment in Spain, people could move to e.g. Germany in masses but they don't. People just don't like change and are not the rational players everyone wants them to be.
  - rixed 9y ago
    Unless maximising income is not equivalent as behaving rationally, which is always a possibility.
  - readittwice 9y ago
    I've worked in Switzerland as a consultant and there were Germans all around. A friend of mine makes more money waitressing in Switzerland than I make as a SW engineer in Austria. So I am kind of guilty too ;) Actually there are quite a lot of young people from Spain & e.g. Romanians that leave their countries. Emigration in Romania is quite a big problem (from 23 million to 20 million people). I guess it depends on your definition of "moving in masses".
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  - falsedan 9y ago
    > Same with all the unemployment in Spain, people could move to e.g. Germany in masses but they don't. Did you know? It costs money to move somewhere, and unemployed people have very limited incomes. Stumping up the apartment deposit + bus ticket + float to cover living expenses until first payday might be hundreds of Euros & be completely unreachable. > People just don't like change I think people would jump at the opportunity for a well-paid job and are far more rational in their decisions than you give them credit for.
heedlessly2 9y ago
because poor people in poor countries and those in the rust belt typically don't have millions to move

by Swizec 9y ago

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celim307 9y ago

Not really a good analogy as the limiting factor in your scenarios is often money

badestrand 9y ago
No, it is a valid point. Take Germany for example: In the neighbouring country Switzerland you can easily earn twice as much and the higher living costs only cancel out a part of the difference. >80% of Germans would have the money to move and would be much better off and still only very few do it (<2%). Same with all the unemployment in Spain, people could move to e.g. Germany in masses but they don't. People just don't like change and are not the rational players everyone wants them to be.
- rixed 9y ago
  Unless maximising income is not equivalent as behaving rationally, which is always a possibility.
- readittwice 9y ago
  I've worked in Switzerland as a consultant and there were Germans all around. A friend of mine makes more money waitressing in Switzerland than I make as a SW engineer in Austria. So I am kind of guilty too ;) Actually there are quite a lot of young people from Spain & e.g. Romanians that leave their countries. Emigration in Romania is quite a big problem (from 23 million to 20 million people). I guess it depends on your definition of "moving in masses".
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- falsedan 9y ago
  > Same with all the unemployment in Spain, people could move to e.g. Germany in masses but they don't. Did you know? It costs money to move somewhere, and unemployed people have very limited incomes. Stumping up the apartment deposit + bus ticket + float to cover living expenses until first payday might be hundreds of Euros & be completely unreachable. > People just don't like change I think people would jump at the opportunity for a well-paid job and are far more rational in their decisions than you give them credit for.

heedlessly2 9y ago

because poor people in poor countries and those in the rust belt typically don't have millions to move