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This is not the answer to the question. Alt-right seems now to be everything that is not included in alt-left. Most prominently various scientists like Gad Saad

This is not the answer to the question. Alt-right seems now to be everything that is not included in alt-left. Most prominently various scientists like Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson and Carl Benjamin.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Alt-right seems now to be everything that is not included in alt-left. Since “alt-left” is a term recently made up by the alt-right’s defenders to dismiss everyone who in any way disagreed with them that’s been trivially true since the term “alt-left” was coined. (“alt-right”, OTOH, was a term invented by people in the movement the term refers to, to distinguish themselves from voices they disagree with that are conventionally characterized as part of the right, particularly, AFAICT, voices that they see as globalist.)
- etplayer 9y ago
  As someone who would definitely be grouped into the 'alt-left', I don't let it get to me. It's just a word used to describe my views, which is attempted to be used as a prejorative. We should judge people by the views they hold, not the names we give to them, and I think that goes for everyone. When someone is described as 'alt-right' I have little idea what their positions are, so I feel it's not right for me to judge them on that. Similarly, when I'm called 'alt-left' without having expounded my viewpoint, why should I take it to have any meaning? I could be a Communist, democratic Socialist, syndicalist, Communalist, an anarchist, or even a national Bolshevik or social democrat. Just like the groups I associate with have turned round 'commie' to mean something neutral or even positive within their groups, the same might happen to 'alt-left', and I think that's the best way to go about it. Another example is when Left-wingers were accused of calling each other 'conrad'. Now we call ourselves 'Conrad', and it's great fun.
etplayer 9y ago
It's a shame it's Carl Benjamin instead of Walter Benjamin[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin

This is not the answer to the question. Alt-right seems now to be everything that is not included in alt-left. Most prominently various scientists like Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson and Carl Benjamin.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Alt-right seems now to be everything that is not included in alt-left. Since “alt-left” is a term recently made up by the alt-right’s defenders to dismiss everyone who in any way disagreed with them that’s been trivially true since the term “alt-left” was coined. (“alt-right”, OTOH, was a term invented by people in the movement the term refers to, to distinguish themselves from voices they disagree with that are conventionally characterized as part of the right, particularly, AFAICT, voices that they see as globalist.)

etplayer 9y ago
As someone who would definitely be grouped into the 'alt-left', I don't let it get to me. It's just a word used to describe my views, which is attempted to be used as a prejorative. We should judge people by the views they hold, not the names we give to them, and I think that goes for everyone. When someone is described as 'alt-right' I have little idea what their positions are, so I feel it's not right for me to judge them on that. Similarly, when I'm called 'alt-left' without having expounded my viewpoint, why should I take it to have any meaning? I could be a Communist, democratic Socialist, syndicalist, Communalist, an anarchist, or even a national Bolshevik or social democrat. Just like the groups I associate with have turned round 'commie' to mean something neutral or even positive within their groups, the same might happen to 'alt-left', and I think that's the best way to go about it. Another example is when Left-wingers were accused of calling each other 'conrad'. Now we call ourselves 'Conrad', and it's great fun.

etplayer 9y ago

It's a shame it's Carl Benjamin instead of Walter Benjamin[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin