It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these pe

It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these people, and then refuse to offer them the opportunity to do the same. Uhh, I'm not judging them at all. Where did you get that idea? As you say, I'm irrational. Everyone is irrational. Heck, your assumption that I'm somehow judging these people is irrational. :) All I'm saying is I believe these people are reacting emotionally. That's it. There's no judgement in that. Again, it's simply my view of the facts. And given bikes are being hung in trees, I think not an unreasonable one. And that fact changes how you solve the problem. Reasoning with someone who isn't thinking in terms of costs and benefits is pointless. You have to engage differently. So acknowledging that this is what is happening is the first step to moving ahead.