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As I've pointed out, it' ENTIRELY rational to use available data to make a decision if the stakes are high and the duration of opportunity to counter it may be

As I've pointed out, it' ENTIRELY rational to use available data to make a decision if the stakes are high and the duration of opportunity to counter it may be short. Sure. And you're assuming that's what happened here. Based on how I've seen people behave, I'm assuming it's not. We can both have our opinions. Hell, we're probably both right to some degree. I will say, though, that when it comes to collective human behaviour, politics has taught me to be incredibly cynical... I've consistently been amazed by how willing people are to work against their own best interests in order to reinforce their personal and group identities. But the vandals in particular? I seriously doubt they put any real thought into the benefits of this bike network. They saw change, introduced from outside, that they see as a symbol of white gentrification (and even worse, it's those damned cyclists that everyone hates... Probably with man buns and bottles of IPA in their backpacks), and reacted.

KirinDave 9y ago
> Based on how I've seen people behave, I'm assuming it's not. It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these people, and then refuse to offer them the opportunity to do the same. I understand emotional tension around these issues tends to run hot. I can be so detached because I recently moved out of the city. But seriously, dude. This is a bit ridiculous.
- zzalpha 9y ago
  It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these people, and then refuse to offer them the opportunity to do the same. Uhh, I'm not judging them at all. Where did you get that idea? As you say, I'm irrational. Everyone is irrational. Heck, your assumption that I'm somehow judging these people is irrational. :) All I'm saying is I believe these people are reacting emotionally. That's it. There's no judgement in that. Again, it's simply my view of the facts. And given bikes are being hung in trees, I think not an unreasonable one. And that fact changes how you solve the problem. Reasoning with someone who isn't thinking in terms of costs and benefits is pointless. You have to engage differently. So acknowledging that this is what is happening is the first step to moving ahead.
  - KirinDave 9y ago
    > Heck, your assumption that I'm somehow judging these people is irrational. :) I'm just taking you at your word: >> Based on how I've seen people behave, I'm assuming it's not. > All I'm saying is I believe these people are reacting emotionally. That's it. This is like, "I'm just saying this water is flowing wetly, that's t it." Why even say it then, if you had no other points to make. I repeat that I think you're confusing rationality with results. Process and outcome are only linked statistically.
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KirinDave 9y ago

> Based on how I've seen people behave, I'm assuming it's not. It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these people, and then refuse to offer them the opportunity to do the same. I understand emotional tension around these issues tends to run hot. I can be so detached because I recently moved out of the city. But seriously, dude. This is a bit ridiculous.

zzalpha 9y ago
It's interesting to me that you agree with my previous statements about using approximations to be rational, then engage in that exact process to judge these people, and then refuse to offer them the opportunity to do the same. Uhh, I'm not judging them at all. Where did you get that idea? As you say, I'm irrational. Everyone is irrational. Heck, your assumption that I'm somehow judging these people is irrational. :) All I'm saying is I believe these people are reacting emotionally. That's it. There's no judgement in that. Again, it's simply my view of the facts. And given bikes are being hung in trees, I think not an unreasonable one. And that fact changes how you solve the problem. Reasoning with someone who isn't thinking in terms of costs and benefits is pointless. You have to engage differently. So acknowledging that this is what is happening is the first step to moving ahead.
- KirinDave 9y ago
  > Heck, your assumption that I'm somehow judging these people is irrational. :) I'm just taking you at your word: >> Based on how I've seen people behave, I'm assuming it's not. > All I'm saying is I believe these people are reacting emotionally. That's it. This is like, "I'm just saying this water is flowing wetly, that's t it." Why even say it then, if you had no other points to make. I repeat that I think you're confusing rationality with results. Process and outcome are only linked statistically.
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