> It may be sub-optimal and even self-harming in the total balance of accounting, but that is a distinct condition from rationality. You seem to be confusing th

> It may be sub-optimal and even self-harming in the total balance of accounting, but that is a distinct condition from rationality. You seem to be confusing these different concepts. I agree. The initial reaction to getting a pipe jammed into your chest is to remove the pipe, even though I'm pretty sure every medical professional would tell you to leave it there, you don't in the heat of the moment understand why: you have a foreign entity in your body, and your instincts are telling you to remove it. It is an irrational and detrimental reaction but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people would do it, or at least attempt to do it until someone who was not in fight or flight mode stopped them. Just because emotions are messy and not easily solved with logic and code does not make them irrelevant. We are not the fucking Borg and we likely won't be for an extremely long time, so discarding the emotional end of any argument just because you don't want to deal with the messy irrational reactions of human beings is stupid.