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> Stencil components are rendered using JSX... What's the point? Why not just use React? Like many others - I dropped Cordova and Ionic in favor of React-Nati

> Stencil components are rendered using JSX... What's the point? Why not just use React? Like many others - I dropped Cordova and Ionic in favor of React-Native. So, what is Ionic trying to do here? Are they throwing in the towel and adopting React? Will they end up making a kit that renders native components using JSX just like React-Native?

danbucholtz 9y ago
There are hundreds of thousands of people using Ionic so we're certainly not throwing in the towel. One of the goals when creating Ionic was to build re-useable components that could be used by anyone. At the time (2013), this wasn't really feasible, so we went all in on Angular. Now that Web Component adoption in browsers is pretty solid, it has enabled us to fulfill the original vision of enabling developers using any web-based toolset to build incredible apps. We're all in on web tech. We think it's the smarter choice long term.
yesimahuman 9y ago
The point is that you push more work to the browser, which has let us get a lot more load performance, much smaller bundle sizes, and much snappier apps and mobile websites (PWAs). We use React and Angular quite a bit internally at Ionic and the reality is that both produce very large code bundles and pulling those apart is proving to be a really hard technical challenge. We're not throwing in the towel at all, rather we're embracing web standards 100% and think Ionic is and will continue to be the best way to build an app that works in the app stores, on the web as a PWA, and increasingly on desktop. Cross-platform is our main focus.
dgregd 9y ago
> Like many others - I dropped Cordova and Ionic in favor of React-Native. Few years ago PhoneGap apps were really slow and ugly. So I built native Android app. This year I started building hybrid Ionic 3 app because it has to work on Android and iOS. It works good enough on Nexus 5 (Snapdragon 800). The biggest problem is 4-5 seconds startup time. Stencil and component lazy loading should greatly reduce that startup time (to 1-2 seconds I hope).
- yesimahuman 9y ago
  Thanks. And yes, this will fix that problem for good, and should be quite a bit under that budget for Cordova apps!
- andreashansen 9y ago
  Quick tip, did you remove the hardcoded 3000ms splash screen delay? https://github.com/ionic-team/ionic-conference-app/blob/master/config.xml#L80 https://github.com/ionic-team/ionic-conference-app/blob/mast...
ergo14 9y ago
React is not really interoperable with other frameworks, libraries. Thats probably one of its bigger drawbacks. It is not an issue if you create a react application, but when you want to provide reusable components it might be problematic.

danbucholtz 9y ago

There are hundreds of thousands of people using Ionic so we're certainly not throwing in the towel. One of the goals when creating Ionic was to build re-useable components that could be used by anyone. At the time (2013), this wasn't really feasible, so we went all in on Angular. Now that Web Component adoption in browsers is pretty solid, it has enabled us to fulfill the original vision of enabling developers using any web-based toolset to build incredible apps. We're all in on web tech. We think it's the smarter choice long term.

yesimahuman 9y ago

The point is that you push more work to the browser, which has let us get a lot more load performance, much smaller bundle sizes, and much snappier apps and mobile websites (PWAs). We use React and Angular quite a bit internally at Ionic and the reality is that both produce very large code bundles and pulling those apart is proving to be a really hard technical challenge. We're not throwing in the towel at all, rather we're embracing web standards 100% and think Ionic is and will continue to be the best way to build an app that works in the app stores, on the web as a PWA, and increasingly on desktop. Cross-platform is our main focus.

dgregd 9y ago

> Like many others - I dropped Cordova and Ionic in favor of React-Native. Few years ago PhoneGap apps were really slow and ugly. So I built native Android app. This year I started building hybrid Ionic 3 app because it has to work on Android and iOS. It works good enough on Nexus 5 (Snapdragon 800). The biggest problem is 4-5 seconds startup time. Stencil and component lazy loading should greatly reduce that startup time (to 1-2 seconds I hope).

yesimahuman 9y ago
Thanks. And yes, this will fix that problem for good, and should be quite a bit under that budget for Cordova apps!
andreashansen 9y ago
Quick tip, did you remove the hardcoded 3000ms splash screen delay? https://github.com/ionic-team/ionic-conference-app/blob/master/config.xml#L80 https://github.com/ionic-team/ionic-conference-app/blob/mast...

ergo14 9y ago

React is not really interoperable with other frameworks, libraries. Thats probably one of its bigger drawbacks. It is not an issue if you create a react application, but when you want to provide reusable components it might be problematic.