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>But what a poor engineer he also turned out to be ... and then utterly failing to submerge a body at sea. Not understanding that police would find her DNA in t

>But what a poor engineer he also turned out to be ... and then utterly failing to submerge a body at sea. Not understanding that police would find her DNA in the submarine. I'm an engineer and knowing that kind of forensic tools are available now to police, there is no way I'd ever think to commit such a crime (and also because WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!). Unless the police are very incompetent or you are able to conceal it very well, you will be caught. [0] I can tell you I never had a class during my B.Eng about how to kill someone and destroy DNA evidence. I'm not sure what being an engineer has to do with sinking a dead body and removing DNA evidence, since these are not at all related to Engineering... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

tyingq 9y ago
There are quite a lot of unsolved murders. Thirty percent in the US. Perhaps lower in Europe, but I assume still substantial. Of course, high profile crimes get disproportionate resources. In this case, they turned around a DNA test in a few days or less. The people involved, plus the submarine, assured this one gets attention.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Two people get on a boat, only one of them returns and purposefully tries to sink his boat. As murders go this one has a lot of circumstances that facilitate solution in spite of all the attempts at muddying the waters.
  - tyingq 9y ago
    Yes, of course. And a type of boat that assures several pictures of the woman on board, sightings, etc. I was more addressing the idea that you can't away with murder. Perhaps not in this case, but it obviously happens, and quite often.
  - jondubois 9y ago
    Haha yes, it sounds so obvious when you put it like that. It's hard to believe that he went through this in his head and thought it was a good idea. How stupid does he think other people are? If he was smart he would have driven his submarine to Russia and never come back.
- _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
  Wikipedia (what it's worth) says 97,6 % clearance rate for murder in Germany (2008). With 662 murders (2011) this would mean ~16 murderers get away.
  - tyingq 9y ago
    Denmark, the place in question, seems to be at about 5 of 50, or 10% unsolved. http://aftertheamericancentury.blogspot.com/2017/01/5-murders-annually-go-unsolved-in.html?m=1 http://aftertheamericancentury.blogspot.com/2017/01/5-murder... I believe the UK is higher.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Clearance is not conviction. And lack of clearance does not mean lack of guilt, more likely if there is no clearance it means that there is no case and most likely not murder. You can use this as a proxy for the police 'solving' crimes but it would be much better to use the actual rate at which murderers are convicted because the police do not always get it right and do not always manage to establish guilt of the defendant beyond reasonable doubt.
    - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
      Yes. There are many differences, depending on culture, police set up etc. The high conviction rate of nearly 100% in Japan due to the way police/justice works there comes to mind. Only could find conviction rate for all crimes (not only murder and manslaughter) which is around 80% in Germany.

tyingq 9y ago

There are quite a lot of unsolved murders. Thirty percent in the US. Perhaps lower in Europe, but I assume still substantial. Of course, high profile crimes get disproportionate resources. In this case, they turned around a DNA test in a few days or less. The people involved, plus the submarine, assured this one gets attention.

jacquesm 9y ago
Two people get on a boat, only one of them returns and purposefully tries to sink his boat. As murders go this one has a lot of circumstances that facilitate solution in spite of all the attempts at muddying the waters.
- tyingq 9y ago
  Yes, of course. And a type of boat that assures several pictures of the woman on board, sightings, etc. I was more addressing the idea that you can't away with murder. Perhaps not in this case, but it obviously happens, and quite often.
- jondubois 9y ago
  Haha yes, it sounds so obvious when you put it like that. It's hard to believe that he went through this in his head and thought it was a good idea. How stupid does he think other people are? If he was smart he would have driven his submarine to Russia and never come back.
_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
Wikipedia (what it's worth) says 97,6 % clearance rate for murder in Germany (2008). With 662 murders (2011) this would mean ~16 murderers get away.
- tyingq 9y ago
  Denmark, the place in question, seems to be at about 5 of 50, or 10% unsolved. http://aftertheamericancentury.blogspot.com/2017/01/5-murders-annually-go-unsolved-in.html?m=1 http://aftertheamericancentury.blogspot.com/2017/01/5-murder... I believe the UK is higher.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Clearance is not conviction. And lack of clearance does not mean lack of guilt, more likely if there is no clearance it means that there is no case and most likely not murder. You can use this as a proxy for the police 'solving' crimes but it would be much better to use the actual rate at which murderers are convicted because the police do not always get it right and do not always manage to establish guilt of the defendant beyond reasonable doubt.
  - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
    Yes. There are many differences, depending on culture, police set up etc. The high conviction rate of nearly 100% in Japan due to the way police/justice works there comes to mind. Only could find conviction rate for all crimes (not only murder and manslaughter) which is around 80% in Germany.