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For every time people pat themselves on the back about getting some nazi fired, consider there's others where the mob gets it wrong (see: Reddit and the Boston

For every time people pat themselves on the back about getting some nazi fired, consider there's others where the mob gets it wrong (see: Reddit and the Boston bombers). This stuff is dangerous.

aaron695 9y ago
Why are you patting yourself on the back for getting a nazi [sic] fired. The fact this is consider acceptable is the whole problem. We should not be using cop outs of 'where the mob gets it wrong'. The only reason you should get someone fired is they are bad at their job and they have been given a chance to improve.
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. So people are turning to alternative means. It worries me, but at the same time I want to see justice. I feel conflicted about it. Politically, on the one side you have people screaming about the rule of law. I think that would be ideologically consistent if they also supported increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. But they generally don't. On the other side, you have people arguing we need to take the law into our own hands and fight back against "fascism", white supremacy, all of these things. But those same people don't generally want to take responsibility for the crimes they are complicit in (war crimes, theft of indigenous land, soft racism, etc). I don't see a clear resolution, although I think the whole situation is a reaction to the internet forcing increased self-awareness on us, and us not being able to deal with the possibility that we're genuinely bad people. The internet showed us how much violence we're complicit in, and we're reacting by getting real mad at whoever is far enough away for us to dissociate from.
  - adjkant 9y ago
    > "At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. > So people are turning to alternative means. It worries me, but at the same time I want to see justice. I feel conflicted about it." Well said. In some ways this seems a bit like transferring the moral questions of vigilante justice in comics to the individual person. If you see an injustice that will not be corrected, do you have the power/obligation to correct it? The main failing is the lack of certainty, which should be one of the main focuses here.
  - alphaalpha101 9y ago
    >At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. I kind of have to wonder about a list that includes 'war crimes', 'rape', 'biased promotion' and 'harassment'. Like, seriously, these are a class of similar issues? I'm not going all 'ARE YOU COMPARING X and Y????' on you, but really. Those are some pretty specific issues, why them in particular? >Politically, on the one side you have people screaming about the rule of law. I think that would be ideologically consistent if they also supported increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. But they generally don't. But people do support increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. People do want rapists to go to prison. People do want war crimes to result in changes. People do want bankers sent to prison. But it seems that unless you think that accused rapists should be presumed guilty that you're 'pro-rape'. It seems that unless you think that women and minorities should just get priority in all promotions, that you 'support biased promotion'. You know? >On the other side, you have people arguing we need to take the law into our own hands and fight back against "fascism", white supremacy, all of these things. But those same people don't generally want to take responsibility for the crimes they are complicit in (war crimes, theft of indigenous land, soft racism, etc). Those so-called 'crimes' are just 'being white', unfortunately. If you're a white American, then you're held responsible for all the US military's crimes, all racism in America and all historical injustices against native Americans. It's ridiculous. Why do you think that Trump supporters are so alienated from the mainstream left? They don't want to be held responsible for things that have literally nothing to do with them.
alphaalpha101 9y ago
>some nazi fired Did you actually read the memo? If he's a nazi, then so is 95% of the world's population.
- eksemplar 9y ago
  I read it, wish I hadn't wasted my time on something as disgusting, but I did. I doubt 5% of the world would appreciate the message. Then again, I never saw equal rights as a threat. I don't think he's necessarily a Nazi though, just a spoiled biggot who hasn't walked a mile in anyone's shoes, not even his own.
  - alphaalpha101 9y ago
    Lol what have you been smoking? What was disgusting about saying 'hey maybe the reason that women aren't in software is that they don't want to be in software and there's nothing wrong with that as long as the women that are in software are treated well'?
    - dang 9y ago
      You've been breaking the HN guidelines quite a bit I'm afraid. Would you please read them and follow them from now on? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - alphaalpha101 9y ago
        Sorry I'll try to avoid the 'what are you smoking?' sort of thing. Comment works completely fine without it, it's just rude.
- ryan-allen 9y ago
  I think he was being sarcastic with the 'some nazi' part?
  - graphememes 9y ago

For every time people pat themselves on the back about getting some nazi fired, consider there's others where the mob gets it wrong (see: Reddit and the Boston bombers). This stuff is dangerous.

aaron695 9y ago

Why are you patting yourself on the back for getting a nazi [sic] fired. The fact this is consider acceptable is the whole problem. We should not be using cop outs of 'where the mob gets it wrong'. The only reason you should get someone fired is they are bad at their job and they have been given a chance to improve.

erikpukinskis 9y ago
At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. So people are turning to alternative means. It worries me, but at the same time I want to see justice. I feel conflicted about it. Politically, on the one side you have people screaming about the rule of law. I think that would be ideologically consistent if they also supported increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. But they generally don't. On the other side, you have people arguing we need to take the law into our own hands and fight back against "fascism", white supremacy, all of these things. But those same people don't generally want to take responsibility for the crimes they are complicit in (war crimes, theft of indigenous land, soft racism, etc). I don't see a clear resolution, although I think the whole situation is a reaction to the internet forcing increased self-awareness on us, and us not being able to deal with the possibility that we're genuinely bad people. The internet showed us how much violence we're complicit in, and we're reacting by getting real mad at whoever is far enough away for us to dissociate from.
- adjkant 9y ago
  > "At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. > So people are turning to alternative means. It worries me, but at the same time I want to see justice. I feel conflicted about it." Well said. In some ways this seems a bit like transferring the moral questions of vigilante justice in comics to the individual person. If you see an injustice that will not be corrected, do you have the power/obligation to correct it? The main failing is the lack of certainty, which should be one of the main focuses here.
- alphaalpha101 9y ago
  >At a high level, it's a reaction to the fact that the system seems incapable of dealing with certain crimes. Rape, any crime committed by police, war crimes, white collar theft, inmate abuse, biased promotion, harassment... so many of these things are really hard to get police to care about. I kind of have to wonder about a list that includes 'war crimes', 'rape', 'biased promotion' and 'harassment'. Like, seriously, these are a class of similar issues? I'm not going all 'ARE YOU COMPARING X and Y????' on you, but really. Those are some pretty specific issues, why them in particular? >Politically, on the one side you have people screaming about the rule of law. I think that would be ideologically consistent if they also supported increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. But they generally don't. But people do support increased law enforcement pressure on these kinds of crimes. People do want rapists to go to prison. People do want war crimes to result in changes. People do want bankers sent to prison. But it seems that unless you think that accused rapists should be presumed guilty that you're 'pro-rape'. It seems that unless you think that women and minorities should just get priority in all promotions, that you 'support biased promotion'. You know? >On the other side, you have people arguing we need to take the law into our own hands and fight back against "fascism", white supremacy, all of these things. But those same people don't generally want to take responsibility for the crimes they are complicit in (war crimes, theft of indigenous land, soft racism, etc). Those so-called 'crimes' are just 'being white', unfortunately. If you're a white American, then you're held responsible for all the US military's crimes, all racism in America and all historical injustices against native Americans. It's ridiculous. Why do you think that Trump supporters are so alienated from the mainstream left? They don't want to be held responsible for things that have literally nothing to do with them.

alphaalpha101 9y ago

>some nazi fired Did you actually read the memo? If he's a nazi, then so is 95% of the world's population.

eksemplar 9y ago
I read it, wish I hadn't wasted my time on something as disgusting, but I did. I doubt 5% of the world would appreciate the message. Then again, I never saw equal rights as a threat. I don't think he's necessarily a Nazi though, just a spoiled biggot who hasn't walked a mile in anyone's shoes, not even his own.
- alphaalpha101 9y ago
  Lol what have you been smoking? What was disgusting about saying 'hey maybe the reason that women aren't in software is that they don't want to be in software and there's nothing wrong with that as long as the women that are in software are treated well'?
  - dang 9y ago
    You've been breaking the HN guidelines quite a bit I'm afraid. Would you please read them and follow them from now on? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - alphaalpha101 9y ago
      Sorry I'll try to avoid the 'what are you smoking?' sort of thing. Comment works completely fine without it, it's just rude.
ryan-allen 9y ago
I think he was being sarcastic with the 'some nazi' part?
- graphememes 9y ago