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How is it that the world's most advanced technological nation in 2017 can't keep its navy ships from running into each other?

by csense 9y ago

ciconia 9y ago
1. Too much technology. Without their gadgets American soldiers would be helpless. 2. Too much money. Warships costing billions, war plans costing $100m. A ship is sunk? Let's just throw more money at the Navy. 3. A superiority complex. "We're the best, biggest, strongest, richest, and morally superior to all other nations. We can't possibly be wrong."
arca_vorago 9y ago
I'll give you a hint. Its the technology. More specifically, over reliance on it. I'm speculating, but my cyberwarfare spider sense is tingly all over. Perhaps some entity is testing new GPS spoofing, hijacking, or other similar things? What confuses me the most is someone with NVGs should a seen the thing and raised hell. Either they didn't, or did and didn't get a response in time. The human factor of having sailors should always be part of the failsafes to prevent exactly this kind of complacence, if that's what it is. For what its worth, I am speaking outside of my expertise, being from the men's department of the Navy.
- Johnny555 9y ago
  No ship captain would rely solely on GPS charting displays to avoid a collision, because they know that not all ships report positioning data (Navy ships, for example rarely report AIS data because they don't want to be easily tracked) So it's not GPS spoofing that caused this collision. If the ship ran aground, sure, I could believe they followed their GPS onto the ground.
  - arca_vorago 9y ago
    Then how has this happened so many times in the recent past? Its easy to say "a captain wouldn't do X", but I'm having a hard time understanding how this happened without such a level of complacence. Obviously there should be multiple mechanisms, but none of them worked. Why? Also I said GPS or similar. Obviously they shouldn't be relying on AIS data from other ships alone, why did radar not pick it up? Why did the bridge not see it with flir/nv? Something really isn't making sense here.

How is it that the world's most advanced technological nation in 2017 can't keep its navy ships from running into each other?

by csense 9y ago

How is it that the world's most advanced technological nation in 2017 can't keep its navy ships from running into each other?

ciconia 9y ago

1. Too much technology. Without their gadgets American soldiers would be helpless. 2. Too much money. Warships costing billions, war plans costing $100m. A ship is sunk? Let's just throw more money at the Navy. 3. A superiority complex. "We're the best, biggest, strongest, richest, and morally superior to all other nations. We can't possibly be wrong."

arca_vorago 9y ago

I'll give you a hint. Its the technology. More specifically, over reliance on it. I'm speculating, but my cyberwarfare spider sense is tingly all over. Perhaps some entity is testing new GPS spoofing, hijacking, or other similar things? What confuses me the most is someone with NVGs should a seen the thing and raised hell. Either they didn't, or did and didn't get a response in time. The human factor of having sailors should always be part of the failsafes to prevent exactly this kind of complacence, if that's what it is. For what its worth, I am speaking outside of my expertise, being from the men's department of the Navy.

Johnny555 9y ago
No ship captain would rely solely on GPS charting displays to avoid a collision, because they know that not all ships report positioning data (Navy ships, for example rarely report AIS data because they don't want to be easily tracked) So it's not GPS spoofing that caused this collision. If the ship ran aground, sure, I could believe they followed their GPS onto the ground.
- arca_vorago 9y ago
  Then how has this happened so many times in the recent past? Its easy to say "a captain wouldn't do X", but I'm having a hard time understanding how this happened without such a level of complacence. Obviously there should be multiple mechanisms, but none of them worked. Why? Also I said GPS or similar. Obviously they shouldn't be relying on AIS data from other ships alone, why did radar not pick it up? Why did the bridge not see it with flir/nv? Something really isn't making sense here.