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Psilocybin-assisted group therapy for demoralization in long-term AIDS survivors

fao_ 9y ago
The way it was worded I read that it was intended to induce demoralization, rather than combat it.
- akuji1993 9y ago
  That's how I read it, too and was like 'Oh, that doesn't sound like a great research...'
  - ishtu 9y ago
    I read it that way too. Maybe it should be of instead of for? Not a native speaker, just wondering.
    - theEXTORTCIST 9y ago
      This is definitely a confusing sentence, especially for a non English speaker. You can reword the sentence and add something in front (e.g. "The researchers"). "The researchers are using psilocybin assisted group therapy for demoralization in long term AIDS survivors." AIDS surviors have "demoralization in them". The psilocybin assisted group therapy is being used for that demoralization.
      - brepl 9y ago
        > especially for a non English speaker If you don't speak English, every word will be confusing.
    - hrnnnnnn 9y ago
      It's not the best-written title ever, but in general when you see "therapy for X" it means "therapy to cure X", rather than "therapy to cause X".
    - wavefunction 9y ago
      You go through therapy for an issue.
    - always_good 9y ago
      I'd change "for" to "to treat".
      - sova 9y ago
        Even "group therapy OF demoralization" would add clarity imho, for non-native speakers.
        QuercusMax 9y ago
        That phrase doesn't mean anything to me, I've never heard some one talk about "therapy of depression"; it's always "therapy for" or "therapy to treat". (Native American English speaker here.)
        fao_ 9y ago
        To me, a native-english speaker from Britain, it groups like: > (Psilocybin-assisted group therapy) for (demoralization) in (long-term AIDS survivors). The 'for' reads to me as 'to induce', rather than 'to treat'. Changing it to 'to treat' is MUCH easier to read imo
        sova 9y ago
        How do you feel about "addressing"
        fao_ 9y ago
        That too, would work.
        sova 9y ago
        So you speak Navajo? Hehe just poking fun. "Therapy for the treatment of.." is much more common, yes.
- lightedman 9y ago
  Rarely does the word therapy carry the connotation of inducing a condition.
  - fao_ 9y ago
    Really? What does "electro-shock therapy" mean to you?
    - cstrahan 9y ago
      Efficacy aside, electroshock therapy is intended to treat a given disorder, not to induce some disorder. Any pain or side effects of being shocked is separate from the underlying disorder. So "Bob was given electroshock therapy for his schizophrenia" means Bob was shocked to treat his schizophrenia, not induce it.
xutopia 9y ago
There seems to be a lot of anecdotes about mushrooms helping people get out of a rut. I am glad this is being studied and hope we find some sort of good findings. Too many people suffer from depression.
- ada1981 9y ago
  Maps.org has funded a number of studies with promising results. We are beyond anecdote at this point. Also, we have MDMA in phase 3 clinical trials for PTSD working with the VA. Exciting times!
  - xutopia 9y ago
    That's amazing news! Hopefully we will enter a new age (pun intended) but this time of rational drug use.
    - ada1981 9y ago
      Just last week the FDA also granted MDMA special status as a breakthrough treatment which will also fast track this process.
  - sova 9y ago
    Could you please link to some of the Phase 3 clinical trials, or some info on them? This is one of my favorite fields and I'm so happy to hear about progress!
    - cnp 9y ago
      http://www.maps.org/news/posts/6669-fda-and-maps-agree-on-protocol-for-phase-3-trials-of-mdma-assisted-psychotherapy-for-ptsd http://www.maps.org/news/posts/6669-fda-and-maps-agree-on-pr...
- unfunco 9y ago
  Psychedelics in general seem to offer many benefits when used in conjunction with therapies. Ayahuasca has seen progress in dealing with PTSD, Ibogaine has had incredible results (albeit in small sample sizes) with addiction struggles, there's so much research being stopped because of stringent drug laws.
cardiffspaceman 9y ago
This word's use was new and a little puzzling for me. > Demoralization More or less the sense that you haven't beaten the problem, just accommodated it by means of huge inconvenience (very demanding pill regimen, or chemotherapy)
lightedman 9y ago
I firmly believe that a mind-reforming experience like LSD/MDMA/Psilocybin is beneficial to those suffering from debilitating emotional problems. The brain is incredibly plastic, give it a gateway and proper guidance and you can achieve results which border upon near-unreproducibility with any other method. If it weren't for LSD, I'd have never gotten into lighting research, and the various (read: most common) hobbies associated with it, nor launched a company onto the BBC for no-light fodder production on BBC's Countryfile. They're all just chemicals, like everything else, including ourselves and the flora which exist within us. Master chemistry and physics, master ourselves.
quoquoquo 9y ago
Psilocybin was better than therapy by any measure. It's transformed my life positively. It's definitely not for everyone! In high dosages it can induce feelings of death. I literally felt like I had died. I had no more ego. I didn't know who I was or where I was. There was only math, logic and reasons. It was as if the veils of reality were lifted to reveal what it was: Math. I saw numbers and formulas everywhere. Then it struck me like a freight train, God IS math, our life is complex system of math, we are living in the body of God. I've read the pineal gland arises on the 49th day when the baby is inside the womb...how the hell did Tibetan monks know this without science millenias ago? The soul is said to enter the body on the 49th day....it's just...science itself is not enough to explain reality and the universe is what I've come to accept. I'm hard knock atheist but Psilocybin made me experience spirituality in a highly logical and mathematical manner...it's just frighteningly awesome I am struggling to describe it fully....words can't justify I realized there was a reason to everything in life. I was here where I was because of reasons which in turn induced actions. I was terribly addicted to substances, locked up in my room. Just taking Psilocybin a few times induced so much positive changes because it made me experience consciouness on a different world...where I had to physical presence but only my conciousness without ego. I'm getting goose bumps thinking about the trip. Not so pleasant was seeing eyes, lots of eyes, eyes of providence they call it. I realized those eyes have been watching me all this time and if I didn't turn my life around I would be in hell. The aftermath of this trip, an overwhelming peace and reduced anxiety, I notice I've become way more social and confident, my posture has improved, I've moved my computer to the living room, I've met new people. Psilocybin is a drug that will give you answer to all your questions. I reckon religious texts were written while on it.
- ericmcer 9y ago
  I was a pretty heavy user (1-3 trips a month) for about a year after graduating high school, and I still take it about once a year now. I disagree that it has all the answers, psilocybin does not reveal any great truths or break down the mysteries of the universe. That said I love it and just did a light trip for the eclipse, it can bring calm, peace, love of nature, love of self and others to you, but it is not some magic path to god.

fao_ 9y ago

The way it was worded I read that it was intended to induce demoralization, rather than combat it.

akuji1993 9y ago
That's how I read it, too and was like 'Oh, that doesn't sound like a great research...'
- ishtu 9y ago
  I read it that way too. Maybe it should be of instead of for? Not a native speaker, just wondering.
  - theEXTORTCIST 9y ago
    This is definitely a confusing sentence, especially for a non English speaker. You can reword the sentence and add something in front (e.g. "The researchers"). "The researchers are using psilocybin assisted group therapy for demoralization in long term AIDS survivors." AIDS surviors have "demoralization in them". The psilocybin assisted group therapy is being used for that demoralization.
    - brepl 9y ago
      > especially for a non English speaker If you don't speak English, every word will be confusing.
  - hrnnnnnn 9y ago
    It's not the best-written title ever, but in general when you see "therapy for X" it means "therapy to cure X", rather than "therapy to cause X".
  - wavefunction 9y ago
    You go through therapy for an issue.
  - always_good 9y ago
    I'd change "for" to "to treat".
    - sova 9y ago
      Even "group therapy OF demoralization" would add clarity imho, for non-native speakers.
      - QuercusMax 9y ago
        That phrase doesn't mean anything to me, I've never heard some one talk about "therapy of depression"; it's always "therapy for" or "therapy to treat". (Native American English speaker here.)
        fao_ 9y ago
        To me, a native-english speaker from Britain, it groups like: > (Psilocybin-assisted group therapy) for (demoralization) in (long-term AIDS survivors). The 'for' reads to me as 'to induce', rather than 'to treat'. Changing it to 'to treat' is MUCH easier to read imo
        sova 9y ago
        How do you feel about "addressing"
        fao_ 9y ago
        That too, would work.
        sova 9y ago
        So you speak Navajo? Hehe just poking fun. "Therapy for the treatment of.." is much more common, yes.
lightedman 9y ago
Rarely does the word therapy carry the connotation of inducing a condition.
- fao_ 9y ago
  Really? What does "electro-shock therapy" mean to you?
  - cstrahan 9y ago
    Efficacy aside, electroshock therapy is intended to treat a given disorder, not to induce some disorder. Any pain or side effects of being shocked is separate from the underlying disorder. So "Bob was given electroshock therapy for his schizophrenia" means Bob was shocked to treat his schizophrenia, not induce it.

There seems to be a lot of anecdotes about mushrooms helping people get out of a rut. I am glad this is being studied and hope we find some sort of good findings. Too many people suffer from depression.

ada1981 9y ago
Maps.org has funded a number of studies with promising results. We are beyond anecdote at this point. Also, we have MDMA in phase 3 clinical trials for PTSD working with the VA. Exciting times!
- xutopia 9y ago
  That's amazing news! Hopefully we will enter a new age (pun intended) but this time of rational drug use.
  - ada1981 9y ago
    Just last week the FDA also granted MDMA special status as a breakthrough treatment which will also fast track this process.
- sova 9y ago
  Could you please link to some of the Phase 3 clinical trials, or some info on them? This is one of my favorite fields and I'm so happy to hear about progress!
  - cnp 9y ago
    http://www.maps.org/news/posts/6669-fda-and-maps-agree-on-protocol-for-phase-3-trials-of-mdma-assisted-psychotherapy-for-ptsd http://www.maps.org/news/posts/6669-fda-and-maps-agree-on-pr...
unfunco 9y ago
Psychedelics in general seem to offer many benefits when used in conjunction with therapies. Ayahuasca has seen progress in dealing with PTSD, Ibogaine has had incredible results (albeit in small sample sizes) with addiction struggles, there's so much research being stopped because of stringent drug laws.

cardiffspaceman 9y ago

This word's use was new and a little puzzling for me. > Demoralization More or less the sense that you haven't beaten the problem, just accommodated it by means of huge inconvenience (very demanding pill regimen, or chemotherapy)

lightedman 9y ago

I firmly believe that a mind-reforming experience like LSD/MDMA/Psilocybin is beneficial to those suffering from debilitating emotional problems. The brain is incredibly plastic, give it a gateway and proper guidance and you can achieve results which border upon near-unreproducibility with any other method. If it weren't for LSD, I'd have never gotten into lighting research, and the various (read: most common) hobbies associated with it, nor launched a company onto the BBC for no-light fodder production on BBC's Countryfile. They're all just chemicals, like everything else, including ourselves and the flora which exist within us. Master chemistry and physics, master ourselves.

quoquoquo 9y ago

Psilocybin was better than therapy by any measure. It's transformed my life positively. It's definitely not for everyone! In high dosages it can induce feelings of death. I literally felt like I had died. I had no more ego. I didn't know who I was or where I was. There was only math, logic and reasons. It was as if the veils of reality were lifted to reveal what it was: Math. I saw numbers and formulas everywhere. Then it struck me like a freight train, God IS math, our life is complex system of math, we are living in the body of God. I've read the pineal gland arises on the 49th day when the baby is inside the womb...how the hell did Tibetan monks know this without science millenias ago? The soul is said to enter the body on the 49th day....it's just...science itself is not enough to explain reality and the universe is what I've come to accept. I'm hard knock atheist but Psilocybin made me experience spirituality in a highly logical and mathematical manner...it's just frighteningly awesome I am struggling to describe it fully....words can't justify I realized there was a reason to everything in life. I was here where I was because of reasons which in turn induced actions. I was terribly addicted to substances, locked up in my room. Just taking Psilocybin a few times induced so much positive changes because it made me experience consciouness on a different world...where I had to physical presence but only my conciousness without ego. I'm getting goose bumps thinking about the trip. Not so pleasant was seeing eyes, lots of eyes, eyes of providence they call it. I realized those eyes have been watching me all this time and if I didn't turn my life around I would be in hell. The aftermath of this trip, an overwhelming peace and reduced anxiety, I notice I've become way more social and confident, my posture has improved, I've moved my computer to the living room, I've met new people. Psilocybin is a drug that will give you answer to all your questions. I reckon religious texts were written while on it.

ericmcer 9y ago
I was a pretty heavy user (1-3 trips a month) for about a year after graduating high school, and I still take it about once a year now. I disagree that it has all the answers, psilocybin does not reveal any great truths or break down the mysteries of the universe. That said I love it and just did a light trip for the eclipse, it can bring calm, peace, love of nature, love of self and others to you, but it is not some magic path to god.