Programmers are not computer scientists, and computer science is no more equivalent to software engineering than physics is equivalent to civil engineering. Pr

Programmers are not computer scientists, and computer science is no more equivalent to software engineering than physics is equivalent to civil engineering. Programmers are also not, in general, software engineers. It's not about getting 'caught up in titles' either, IMO. It's an important distinction. Computer science programmes get flack for not teaching practical software engineering skills, which is totally unreasonable. Just as we have physics programmes, we should have proper computer science programmes. You are allowed to do a physics degree and offer physics courses without people going 'but how do I design bridges??'. Yet every computer science lecturer will tell you they've had people ask 'but what does this have to do with making websites??'.