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People universally stated their feedback about pocket and it's still there. Why participate in a no-op?

by GhotiFish 9y ago

sp332 9y ago
Because the Pocket feedback I remember was about privacy concerns, and those were addressed.
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  > those were addressed. source? I never saw anything addressed other than "don't worry about it, it's for your own good"
  - sp332 9y ago
    The code in the browser is a stub. No data gets collected let alone sent anywhere until the user adds a Pocket account. Pocket updated their privacy policy, and they open-sourced the browser integration code. https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firef...
    - CaptSpify 9y ago
      But based on the article, it wasn't addressed until users raised a stink about it. And it wasn't just privacy, it was also closed-source, unnecessary features that should be an addon, etc.
      - sp332 9y ago
        Why would it be addressed before anyone complained? And it was planned as part of the Readability feature, which is very popular and not considered "unnecessary". But FF devs were having a hard time making a good read-it-later UI and decided to use Pocket instead of reinventing the wheel. Edit: To be clear, I think the browser code was always a stub, and the privacy policy was modified before the feature launched as part of Firefox.
        CaptSpify 9y ago
        My concern is that Mozilla has been on a "Sure, you can provide feedback, but we're gonna do it anyway" streak. Pocket is quite unnecessary, and would be a great candidate for an add-on. I don't know their reasons for bringing it in, but it seems pretty cut and dry that there were a lot of users who didn't want it even after it was cleaned up, and Mozilla ignored them.
        sp332 9y ago
        I think you're probably just underestimating how popular it is. Tagging activity tripled from 2012 to 2017. They had 10 million monthly active users in February when Firefox bought them.
        CaptSpify 9y ago
        Does Mozilla look at any of the other top add-ons and implement them natively in the browser? Why was Pocket so special?
        sp332 9y ago
        http://www.planet-libre.org/?post_id=18514 http://www.planet-libre.org/?post_id=18514 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/firefox-dev/B3jJq_kUuIQ/32zvEupOGGMJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/firefox-dev/B3jJq_kUuIQ/32zv... https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/388ryl/pocket_and_hello_look_like_ways_to_get_sponsors/crtlabs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/388ryl/pocket_and_... This is the best I can do not being involved and two years after the fact.

People universally stated their feedback about pocket and it's still there. Why participate in a no-op?

sp332 9y ago

Because the Pocket feedback I remember was about privacy concerns, and those were addressed.

CaptSpify 9y ago
> those were addressed. source? I never saw anything addressed other than "don't worry about it, it's for your own good"
- sp332 9y ago
  The code in the browser is a stub. No data gets collected let alone sent anywhere until the user adds a Pocket account. Pocket updated their privacy policy, and they open-sourced the browser integration code. https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firef...
  - CaptSpify 9y ago
    But based on the article, it wasn't addressed until users raised a stink about it. And it wasn't just privacy, it was also closed-source, unnecessary features that should be an addon, etc.
    - sp332 9y ago
      Why would it be addressed before anyone complained? And it was planned as part of the Readability feature, which is very popular and not considered "unnecessary". But FF devs were having a hard time making a good read-it-later UI and decided to use Pocket instead of reinventing the wheel. Edit: To be clear, I think the browser code was always a stub, and the privacy policy was modified before the feature launched as part of Firefox.
      - CaptSpify 9y ago
        My concern is that Mozilla has been on a "Sure, you can provide feedback, but we're gonna do it anyway" streak. Pocket is quite unnecessary, and would be a great candidate for an add-on. I don't know their reasons for bringing it in, but it seems pretty cut and dry that there were a lot of users who didn't want it even after it was cleaned up, and Mozilla ignored them.
        sp332 9y ago
        I think you're probably just underestimating how popular it is. Tagging activity tripled from 2012 to 2017. They had 10 million monthly active users in February when Firefox bought them.
        CaptSpify 9y ago
        Does Mozilla look at any of the other top add-ons and implement them natively in the browser? Why was Pocket so special?
        sp332 9y ago
        http://www.planet-libre.org/?post_id=18514 http://www.planet-libre.org/?post_id=18514 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/firefox-dev/B3jJq_kUuIQ/32zvEupOGGMJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/firefox-dev/B3jJq_kUuIQ/32zv... https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/388ryl/pocket_and_hello_look_like_ways_to_get_sponsors/crtlabs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/388ryl/pocket_and_... This is the best I can do not being involved and two years after the fact.