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It does rather cement in people's mind the association that Twitter is now mostly a haven for bullying, trolling and harassment. Something POTUS uses twitter fo

It does rather cement in people's mind the association that Twitter is now mostly a haven for bullying, trolling and harassment. Something POTUS uses twitter for regularly. Twitter had been trying to shake off the negative image it had acquired, but Trump's unchecked behaviour is rather putting paid to those hopes. Question is if there's sustainable business in being the largest interpersonal abuse platform on the net.

nailer 9y ago
Has Trump ever doxxed anyone? Encouraged others to dox or harass? I hate him but AFAICT most of his Tweets are simply disliking public figures, which isn't generally considered harassment.
- sergiotapia 9y ago
  His tweets are actually considered violence by some. But to answer your question, he has never doxxed anyone.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    People who consider words to be violence aren't worth paying attention to, particularly since these are the same people who think violence in the service of their own ideology is speech.
- wutwutwutwut 9y ago
  Why wouldn't it be harassment bullying a public figure?
  - pluma 9y ago
    I'm not agreeing with the assertion in this case, but there are very different standards for people "of public interest" and ordinary common folk. This distinction is made in a lot of places, including European privacy laws e.g. in Germany.
- lightbyte 9y ago
  This is false, Donald has harrassed an 18 year old girl on twitter for asking him a question in the primary: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653897939933364224 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/65389793993336422... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653961401363468288 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/65396140136346828... Which led to her getting harassed by his followers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-what-happens-when-donald-trump-attacks-a-private-citizen-on-twitter/2016/12/08/a1380ece-bd62-11e6-91ee-1adddfe36cbe_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-what-happens...
  - nailer 9y ago
    It can't be false: it's a question, not an assertion. In the tweets you linked to, he mentioned someone who asked him a question had worked for his opponent. How is that harassment? Where does he incite others to harass?
  - todayIlearnedon 9y ago
    TIL a person sending 2 tweets to call out who they believe is a plant, and call that same person the extremely vulgar, despicable, highly offensive adjectives "arrogant" and "nasty", is harassment.
atonse 9y ago
They've been trying to shake it off? How exactly? All I see is complete inaction from Twitter.
- HenryTheHorse 9y ago
  Twitter is really a terribly managed business on so many levels, including the one you referred to. It's a mystery as to why their institutional investors haven't staged a coup and brought in new management.
  - metaphorm 9y ago
    because last time they tried that it didn't even work?
    - HenryTheHorse 9y ago
      :) I get that - and clearly the move was a failure. In which case, the blame falls squarely on the board. Twitter has a business model/product model problem, among other things.
      - metaphorm 9y ago
        I think the product is exactly what the users want, actually, though it seems to generally result in a toxic shithole of all-against-all. I think the business model problem is a direct consequence of the product succeeding at being what it is. That's not really a very good environment for "brand engagement" or whatever kind of consumerist brainslug implantation program they think they might use it for. A radical redesign of the product could probably make it a better advertising platform. The question they're facing I think is really that they are being pulled in two directions: increase (or at least retain) the number of users on the platform pulling opposite make the platform more appealing to advertisers and people who have discretionary income. They could hire me as a consultant maybe and I would instruct them that being the world's greatest engine for social strife is not an admirable product design goal.
  - 9y ago
mc32 9y ago
It's not only Twitter. It's a phenomenon on other countries on other platforms too. Basically, they have become a tool for conformity through approval seeking, shaming and bullying. But most sadly it's people throwing any opinion and every opinion to see what sticks.
velobro 9y ago
Twitter could just ban Trump but Twitter needs Trump more than Trump needs Twitter so it'll never happen

nailer 9y ago

Has Trump ever doxxed anyone? Encouraged others to dox or harass? I hate him but AFAICT most of his Tweets are simply disliking public figures, which isn't generally considered harassment.

sergiotapia 9y ago
His tweets are actually considered violence by some. But to answer your question, he has never doxxed anyone.
- gozur88 9y ago
  People who consider words to be violence aren't worth paying attention to, particularly since these are the same people who think violence in the service of their own ideology is speech.
wutwutwutwut 9y ago
Why wouldn't it be harassment bullying a public figure?
- pluma 9y ago
  I'm not agreeing with the assertion in this case, but there are very different standards for people "of public interest" and ordinary common folk. This distinction is made in a lot of places, including European privacy laws e.g. in Germany.
lightbyte 9y ago
This is false, Donald has harrassed an 18 year old girl on twitter for asking him a question in the primary: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653897939933364224 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/65389793993336422... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/653961401363468288 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/65396140136346828... Which led to her getting harassed by his followers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-what-happens-when-donald-trump-attacks-a-private-citizen-on-twitter/2016/12/08/a1380ece-bd62-11e6-91ee-1adddfe36cbe_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-what-happens...
- nailer 9y ago
  It can't be false: it's a question, not an assertion. In the tweets you linked to, he mentioned someone who asked him a question had worked for his opponent. How is that harassment? Where does he incite others to harass?
- todayIlearnedon 9y ago
  TIL a person sending 2 tweets to call out who they believe is a plant, and call that same person the extremely vulgar, despicable, highly offensive adjectives "arrogant" and "nasty", is harassment.

atonse 9y ago

They've been trying to shake it off? How exactly? All I see is complete inaction from Twitter.

HenryTheHorse 9y ago
Twitter is really a terribly managed business on so many levels, including the one you referred to. It's a mystery as to why their institutional investors haven't staged a coup and brought in new management.
- metaphorm 9y ago
  because last time they tried that it didn't even work?
  - HenryTheHorse 9y ago
    :) I get that - and clearly the move was a failure. In which case, the blame falls squarely on the board. Twitter has a business model/product model problem, among other things.
    - metaphorm 9y ago
      I think the product is exactly what the users want, actually, though it seems to generally result in a toxic shithole of all-against-all. I think the business model problem is a direct consequence of the product succeeding at being what it is. That's not really a very good environment for "brand engagement" or whatever kind of consumerist brainslug implantation program they think they might use it for. A radical redesign of the product could probably make it a better advertising platform. The question they're facing I think is really that they are being pulled in two directions: increase (or at least retain) the number of users on the platform pulling opposite make the platform more appealing to advertisers and people who have discretionary income. They could hire me as a consultant maybe and I would instruct them that being the world's greatest engine for social strife is not an admirable product design goal.
- 9y ago

mc32 9y ago

It's not only Twitter. It's a phenomenon on other countries on other platforms too. Basically, they have become a tool for conformity through approval seeking, shaming and bullying. But most sadly it's people throwing any opinion and every opinion to see what sticks.

velobro 9y ago

Twitter could just ban Trump but Twitter needs Trump more than Trump needs Twitter so it'll never happen