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Yeah, I loved DoW1, but DoW2 was terrible, and while I had hopes for DoW3, it didn't deliver. They moved away from RTS to some squad-based MOBA-like.

by croon 9y ago

mattmanser 9y ago
I've never known whether I'm in an incredible minority, or there's a silent majority who just play the game against the computer, enjoying these RTSes as tower defence style base-building. Dune 2, Star Craft, Warcraft, Red Alert, CoH, DoW, etc., my friends got tired of the cheap strategies like orc tower rushes and the toxic taunting by human payers that you couldn't turn off and so instead we started to team up against the computer, increasing the difficulty or the number of computer players and turtling up in base. A relaxing macro game, instead of the frantic micro these games all seem to have evolved into. Unfortunately as time has gone on the AIs seem to have got worse and the base building strategies side-lined, removed or punished.
- stedaniels 9y ago
  I am with you 100%! Me and my mates also team up against increasing AI's of increasing difficulty. Lots of fun. It's great to beat each other, but it's also great to beat the computer together :-)
- croon 9y ago
  > Unfortunately as time has gone on the AIs seem to have got worse and the base building strategies side-lined, removed or punished. I played a lot of StarCraft with my brother against AIs when I was younger. I have since played a lot of multiplayer games, but as you said, it's not as relaxing, which is what I want from games nowadays when I take the time to play them. I don't expect the OpenAI initiative with Dota 2 to automatically lead to better games AI in the foreseeable future, but I hope it might lead to a renewed interest in them in games, and in time something simulating real players in more games (minus the toxicity, and being pausable without anyone wasting anyone elses time).
- dkhenry 9y ago
  I also love playing RTS's like that, and the one I have found which delivers big time is Planetary Annihilation. The AI is fantastic ( without cheating ), you can load up to 12 AI's, and you can make massive maps that allow multiple play styles. It has a bit of a learning curve, but I have had lots of fun playing large scale battles against massive numbers of AI.
  - tapoxi 9y ago
    I personally couldn't stand Planetary Annihilation due to the camera, but there are other great Total Annihilation clones out there, like Supreme Commander (w/Forged Alliance expansion) and Spring Engine games (open source)
- toomanybeersies 9y ago
  Me and my friends, none of us actually really into gaming, played hours of AOE III at university, we'd load up against expert bots, who have an insane buff at the start, and grind away until we won.
- frik 9y ago
  I love playing true RTS like AoE 1-3/Mythology, Empire Earth and C&C Generals - games that can be played in single player against really good AI bots on random generated maps. Unfortunately the RTS genre is dead for 13 years (except SC2, but I play only realistic scenarios not SciFi).

Yeah, I loved DoW1, but DoW2 was terrible, and while I had hopes for DoW3, it didn't deliver. They moved away from RTS to some squad-based MOBA-like.

by croon 9y ago

Yeah, I loved DoW1, but DoW2 was terrible, and while I had hopes for DoW3, it didn't deliver. They moved away from RTS to some squad-based MOBA-like.

mattmanser 9y ago

I've never known whether I'm in an incredible minority, or there's a silent majority who just play the game against the computer, enjoying these RTSes as tower defence style base-building. Dune 2, Star Craft, Warcraft, Red Alert, CoH, DoW, etc., my friends got tired of the cheap strategies like orc tower rushes and the toxic taunting by human payers that you couldn't turn off and so instead we started to team up against the computer, increasing the difficulty or the number of computer players and turtling up in base. A relaxing macro game, instead of the frantic micro these games all seem to have evolved into. Unfortunately as time has gone on the AIs seem to have got worse and the base building strategies side-lined, removed or punished.

stedaniels 9y ago
I am with you 100%! Me and my mates also team up against increasing AI's of increasing difficulty. Lots of fun. It's great to beat each other, but it's also great to beat the computer together :-)
croon 9y ago
> Unfortunately as time has gone on the AIs seem to have got worse and the base building strategies side-lined, removed or punished. I played a lot of StarCraft with my brother against AIs when I was younger. I have since played a lot of multiplayer games, but as you said, it's not as relaxing, which is what I want from games nowadays when I take the time to play them. I don't expect the OpenAI initiative with Dota 2 to automatically lead to better games AI in the foreseeable future, but I hope it might lead to a renewed interest in them in games, and in time something simulating real players in more games (minus the toxicity, and being pausable without anyone wasting anyone elses time).
dkhenry 9y ago
I also love playing RTS's like that, and the one I have found which delivers big time is Planetary Annihilation. The AI is fantastic ( without cheating ), you can load up to 12 AI's, and you can make massive maps that allow multiple play styles. It has a bit of a learning curve, but I have had lots of fun playing large scale battles against massive numbers of AI.
- tapoxi 9y ago
  I personally couldn't stand Planetary Annihilation due to the camera, but there are other great Total Annihilation clones out there, like Supreme Commander (w/Forged Alliance expansion) and Spring Engine games (open source)
toomanybeersies 9y ago
Me and my friends, none of us actually really into gaming, played hours of AOE III at university, we'd load up against expert bots, who have an insane buff at the start, and grind away until we won.
frik 9y ago
I love playing true RTS like AoE 1-3/Mythology, Empire Earth and C&C Generals - games that can be played in single player against really good AI bots on random generated maps. Unfortunately the RTS genre is dead for 13 years (except SC2, but I play only realistic scenarios not SciFi).