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Sounds like a great way to only pay employees half of what they currently make

by cgb223 9y ago

nitrogen 9y ago
Some people would be very happy to have 50% of the money for 50% of the time. There's not currently an option for that, so there's no way for the market to discover the right balance.
- cgb223 9y ago
  It exists, it's called a part time job, and it makes it very hard to do things like "pay rent"
  - Qantourisc 9y ago
    Rent is indeed the real killer, it takes waaaay to much of the budget. It's the only thing that has not gotten more affordable. Maybe even worse over the year.
    - isostatic 9y ago
      This is the irony. If people worked 4 hour days for the same salary, some would do two jobs to earn more, and then buy/rent bigger. This leads to an increase in rental costs a which means that working 2x 4 hour jobs is essential to get what 1 4 hour job used to get. The same phenomena has been seen over the last 30 years. When a parent (usually the mother) stayed at home houses were affordable on a single income. After both parents started working prices shot up, now it's essential for both to work, just to pay the extra rent/mortgage. This pushes childbirth later in life, if at all, and means that children are brought up as a factory process rather than parenting. In the UK this is explicitly encouraged by tax breaks for outsourcing childcare, taxpayer funded childcare, and penalising single working parents through the tax system (60% marginal tax on £50k household income with 1 earner, 33% on £50k household income with two earners, but no way to share tax subsidies)
    - cableshaft 9y ago
      Healthcare, daycare, and college tuition have not gotten more affordable either. Probably other things as well. But those have gotten much worse.
  - clarry 9y ago
    I could easily pay my rent (and bills and food) with less than 50% of the median wage. It would make it hard to save up for a house or car though. "Part time job" doesn't exist in the sense the person you're replying to (probably) intended. Most of the part time jobs I see are unskilled labour where working full time would already put you at a severe wage disadvantage. These are often designed to exploit students who are piss poor to begin with and can't have a full time job anyway. Where are all the tech companies that won't turn you down if you send an application in response to their ad for an inevitably full-time position and ask to work half the time for half the salary? Where are all the manufacturing companies or stores or schools or trucking companies that won't turn you down?
  - everheardofc 9y ago
    So what do you call those fulltime jobs where you can choose to work less than 40 hours of work? part fulltime jobs?

Sounds like a great way to only pay employees half of what they currently make

by cgb223 9y ago

Sounds like a great way to only pay employees half of what they currently make

Some people would be very happy to have 50% of the money for 50% of the time. There's not currently an option for that, so there's no way for the market to discover the right balance.

cgb223 9y ago
It exists, it's called a part time job, and it makes it very hard to do things like "pay rent"
- Qantourisc 9y ago
  Rent is indeed the real killer, it takes waaaay to much of the budget. It's the only thing that has not gotten more affordable. Maybe even worse over the year.
  - isostatic 9y ago
    This is the irony. If people worked 4 hour days for the same salary, some would do two jobs to earn more, and then buy/rent bigger. This leads to an increase in rental costs a which means that working 2x 4 hour jobs is essential to get what 1 4 hour job used to get. The same phenomena has been seen over the last 30 years. When a parent (usually the mother) stayed at home houses were affordable on a single income. After both parents started working prices shot up, now it's essential for both to work, just to pay the extra rent/mortgage. This pushes childbirth later in life, if at all, and means that children are brought up as a factory process rather than parenting. In the UK this is explicitly encouraged by tax breaks for outsourcing childcare, taxpayer funded childcare, and penalising single working parents through the tax system (60% marginal tax on £50k household income with 1 earner, 33% on £50k household income with two earners, but no way to share tax subsidies)
  - cableshaft 9y ago
    Healthcare, daycare, and college tuition have not gotten more affordable either. Probably other things as well. But those have gotten much worse.
- clarry 9y ago
  I could easily pay my rent (and bills and food) with less than 50% of the median wage. It would make it hard to save up for a house or car though. "Part time job" doesn't exist in the sense the person you're replying to (probably) intended. Most of the part time jobs I see are unskilled labour where working full time would already put you at a severe wage disadvantage. These are often designed to exploit students who are piss poor to begin with and can't have a full time job anyway. Where are all the tech companies that won't turn you down if you send an application in response to their ad for an inevitably full-time position and ask to work half the time for half the salary? Where are all the manufacturing companies or stores or schools or trucking companies that won't turn you down?
- everheardofc 9y ago
  So what do you call those fulltime jobs where you can choose to work less than 40 hours of work? part fulltime jobs?