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> Libertarian and thus social conservative and economically liberal Isn't that the opposite of a libertarian?

barsonme 9y ago
_Probably_ just a typo, imo. Then again, I've never found two libertarians who could agree on what being libertarian actually means, so maybe not.
- astrodust 9y ago
  Doesn't libertarian mean whatever the hell you want it to be because libertarian?
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    For quite a while recently, Libertarian meant "Embarrassed Republican Who Doesn't Want To Admit He Votes Republican Every Election Even Though He Swears He Doesn't Like Either Candidate"
    - cylinder 9y ago
      "Trust me, I'm an intellectual! I'm not like that awful Sarah Palin."
      - pyroinferno 9y ago
        To that, they're right. The Libertarian's man, Ron Paul, refused to endorse MCcain or Obama because "because there were no real differences between them, and because neither of them, if elected, would seek to make the fundamental changes in governance that were necessary". He then went on to tell his fellow Libertarians to vote 3rd party "rather than contribute to the “charade” that the two-party election system had become".
  - barsonme 9y ago
    I believe it does have the general premise of very limited government, though.
    - matt-attack 9y ago
      I believe it's more about defending the rights of minorities. Don't forget that the individual is the ultimate minority group.
      - barsonme 9y ago
        See, this is what I mean when even libertarians can't agree what libertarianism means ;)
    - vacri 9y ago
      Limited government, except for the massive expansion of the court system, so that everything can be decided post-facto in the courts rather than beforehand with regulations.
  - vacri 9y ago
    Libertarianism is, at its core, an ethos where skilled people with in-demand skills get to keep all their stuff and pretend that their wealth has nothing to do with other people's inputs. If you want to keep all your stuff, libertarianism is for you. If you want to make it sound like you're being noble when you're actually being selfish, libertarianism is for you. How many libertarians are poor? How many are minorities? How many are women? The libertarian deck is pretty obviously stacked - it's all about maintaining property rights with zero responsibility; for example, somehow 'taxes' are 'violence', but 'enforcing property rights through the courts and the exact same sheriff that would recover taxes' is 'not violence'. Pick on any libertarian thread and the cloth unravels pretty fast. The biggest trick the libertarians have pulled, in my opinion, is convincing people that they're the only ones interested in civil rights.
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      How's that Drug War working out for you? Are you glad that lots of black men are in prison, just like Nixon intended?
      - vacri 9y ago
        Perhaps you should re-read the last sentence in my comment.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        Oh sure if I re-read it about 829 more times while CNN plays in the background, I might care about that. Hypnotizing! Libertarians aren't angels (except perhaps in a relative sense, when considering any POTUS other than Carter elected in my lifetime), but they never get 3% of the vote, for one office. Yet they're some sort of crazy powerful bogeyman that every progressive of correct thought must constantly fear and agitate against on threads that originally had nothing to do with that. Besides didn't you get the memo? Instead of caring about Libertarians, now you're supposed to care about a much smaller and stupider group of statue enthusiasts! They're going to destroy the nation with their passion for old statues! In the meantime please ignore the wars and brutality that the two wings of the mainstream party keep doing...
  - coldtea 9y ago
    That's "whetevergoesarian".
throwaway2016a 9y ago
You're absolutely right. It is late at night here but regardless I have no excuse. I have no clue why I typed it that way (fixed the original post since it was within the edit window)
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w0de 9y ago
He's using conservative and liberal in their classical senses, whereby conservative connotes restraint in legislating social issues and liberal connotes freedom of the marketplace.
- throwaway2016a 9y ago
  I know you got down-voted and you are wrong about my intentions (it was just a typo) but I up-voted you because I do appreciate that the definitions of liberal and conservative have not always been the same.
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_Probably_ just a typo, imo. Then again, I've never found two libertarians who could agree on what being libertarian actually means, so maybe not.

astrodust 9y ago
Doesn't libertarian mean whatever the hell you want it to be because libertarian?
- ryandrake 9y ago
  For quite a while recently, Libertarian meant "Embarrassed Republican Who Doesn't Want To Admit He Votes Republican Every Election Even Though He Swears He Doesn't Like Either Candidate"
  - cylinder 9y ago
    "Trust me, I'm an intellectual! I'm not like that awful Sarah Palin."
    - pyroinferno 9y ago
      To that, they're right. The Libertarian's man, Ron Paul, refused to endorse MCcain or Obama because "because there were no real differences between them, and because neither of them, if elected, would seek to make the fundamental changes in governance that were necessary". He then went on to tell his fellow Libertarians to vote 3rd party "rather than contribute to the “charade” that the two-party election system had become".
- barsonme 9y ago
  I believe it does have the general premise of very limited government, though.
  - matt-attack 9y ago
    I believe it's more about defending the rights of minorities. Don't forget that the individual is the ultimate minority group.
    - barsonme 9y ago
      See, this is what I mean when even libertarians can't agree what libertarianism means ;)
  - vacri 9y ago
    Limited government, except for the massive expansion of the court system, so that everything can be decided post-facto in the courts rather than beforehand with regulations.
- vacri 9y ago
  Libertarianism is, at its core, an ethos where skilled people with in-demand skills get to keep all their stuff and pretend that their wealth has nothing to do with other people's inputs. If you want to keep all your stuff, libertarianism is for you. If you want to make it sound like you're being noble when you're actually being selfish, libertarianism is for you. How many libertarians are poor? How many are minorities? How many are women? The libertarian deck is pretty obviously stacked - it's all about maintaining property rights with zero responsibility; for example, somehow 'taxes' are 'violence', but 'enforcing property rights through the courts and the exact same sheriff that would recover taxes' is 'not violence'. Pick on any libertarian thread and the cloth unravels pretty fast. The biggest trick the libertarians have pulled, in my opinion, is convincing people that they're the only ones interested in civil rights.
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    How's that Drug War working out for you? Are you glad that lots of black men are in prison, just like Nixon intended?
    - vacri 9y ago
      Perhaps you should re-read the last sentence in my comment.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        Oh sure if I re-read it about 829 more times while CNN plays in the background, I might care about that. Hypnotizing! Libertarians aren't angels (except perhaps in a relative sense, when considering any POTUS other than Carter elected in my lifetime), but they never get 3% of the vote, for one office. Yet they're some sort of crazy powerful bogeyman that every progressive of correct thought must constantly fear and agitate against on threads that originally had nothing to do with that. Besides didn't you get the memo? Instead of caring about Libertarians, now you're supposed to care about a much smaller and stupider group of statue enthusiasts! They're going to destroy the nation with their passion for old statues! In the meantime please ignore the wars and brutality that the two wings of the mainstream party keep doing...
- coldtea 9y ago
  That's "whetevergoesarian".

throwaway2016a 9y ago

You're absolutely right. It is late at night here but regardless I have no excuse. I have no clue why I typed it that way (fixed the original post since it was within the edit window)

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w0de 9y ago

He's using conservative and liberal in their classical senses, whereby conservative connotes restraint in legislating social issues and liberal connotes freedom of the marketplace.

throwaway2016a 9y ago
I know you got down-voted and you are wrong about my intentions (it was just a typo) but I up-voted you because I do appreciate that the definitions of liberal and conservative have not always been the same.
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