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> I think there's a spectrum. People who optimize file systems, for example: that's on the "engineering" side of the spectrum. It requires a scientific approach

> I think there's a spectrum. People who optimize file systems, for example: that's on the "engineering" side of the spectrum. It requires a scientific approach to the research. It requires a very deep understanding of complex systems, formal reasoning, and emergent behavior. In Germany, there are two different flavors for the apprenticeship to "Fachinformatiker" (Computer Science Expert): One for software development and one for systems integrations, there's even a sub-specialization for "support".

posterboy 9y ago
The translation "expert" is ridiculous. Its an apprenticeship at college level, not a doctorate. I have no idea what the american equivalent is, because there might not be a standardized title, and maybe expert is not a protected title. Fachinformatiker is more of a technician with 1.5y of school and 1.5y on the job training interleaved.
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  FWIW, Google translates it as "IT Specialist". That sounds accurate for what you're describing.
- freeflight 9y ago
  > The translation "expert" is ridiculous. Not my translation, it's the "official" translation from the German Chamber of Industry and Commerce [0]. > I have no idea what the american equivalent is, because there might not be a standardized title, and maybe expert is not a protected title. I don't think there is a US equivalent to the German "Fachinformatiker", just like there's generally no real US equivalent to the German apprenticeship system. Imho Fachinformatiker as an apprenticeship is a good approach because not every IT job needs to be on an academic level, no reason to lock a whole field of work behind the entry-barrier of having an academic title/university education. [0] https://www.darmstadt.ihk.de/produktmarken/aus_und_weiterbildung_channel/ausbildung_channel/Anlagen_Artikel/englische_berufsbezeichnungen/2535860 https://www.darmstadt.ihk.de/produktmarken/aus_und_weiterbil...

posterboy 9y ago

The translation "expert" is ridiculous. Its an apprenticeship at college level, not a doctorate. I have no idea what the american equivalent is, because there might not be a standardized title, and maybe expert is not a protected title. Fachinformatiker is more of a technician with 1.5y of school and 1.5y on the job training interleaved.

TallGuyShort 9y ago
FWIW, Google translates it as "IT Specialist". That sounds accurate for what you're describing.
freeflight 9y ago
> The translation "expert" is ridiculous. Not my translation, it's the "official" translation from the German Chamber of Industry and Commerce [0]. > I have no idea what the american equivalent is, because there might not be a standardized title, and maybe expert is not a protected title. I don't think there is a US equivalent to the German "Fachinformatiker", just like there's generally no real US equivalent to the German apprenticeship system. Imho Fachinformatiker as an apprenticeship is a good approach because not every IT job needs to be on an academic level, no reason to lock a whole field of work behind the entry-barrier of having an academic title/university education. [0] https://www.darmstadt.ihk.de/produktmarken/aus_und_weiterbildung_channel/ausbildung_channel/Anlagen_Artikel/englische_berufsbezeichnungen/2535860 https://www.darmstadt.ihk.de/produktmarken/aus_und_weiterbil...