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Why the hell is this about forming teams, one on the left, and one the right, and why are Stalin and Hitler on opposing teams? They formed a fucking alliance, f

Why the hell is this about forming teams, one on the left, and one the right, and why are Stalin and Hitler on opposing teams? They formed a fucking alliance, fer crissakes, until one of them decided to betray the other. No honour amongst thieves. A mass murderer is a mass murderer, regardless what they say they are. Hell, Hitler said he was forming a socialist worker's party, which sounds a lot like a dictatorship of the proletariat. It sounds like the left. Why aren't we saying that Hitler is "extreme left" just like Stalin? There's something different between the political speech I grew up with in Mexico and what I hear now. Pretty much every Mexican distrusts the government, it's widely acknowledged that all politicians are corrupt, because we see corruption in the police force as a routine, daily thing, and we draw our team lines differently: the government versus the people. Not left vs right, but those with power versus those without. El pueblo unido jamás será vencido; no pasarán; these are our slogans. There's something weird and pernicious about the way this left-vs-right discourse is unfolding in the English internet, and I see it leaking into other places. I don't like this game where the goal is to find how the opposite side is totally equal to this side and we have to tally the score to see who is more extreme.

AOsborn 9y ago
I accept the basis of your argument - that point scoring is unhelpful. However, I feel you're missing the point when discussing censorship. If censorship is to be justly applied, there must be some objective measure of what is offensive - which then must be applied equally regardless of political alignment. This is definitely not happening at the moment. Personally, I think a better perspective is to reduce and/or avoid censorship altogether, especially as far as internet infrastructure is concerned. Corporate entities shouldn't be enforcing the views of their stakeholders on the individual. Free speech is free speech, even if I don't like what you're saying.
- mirimir 9y ago
  > Personally, I think a better perspective is to reduce and/or avoid censorship altogether, especially as far as internet infrastructure is concerned. Yes! Systems ought to be designed such that censorship is impossible. Not just that we won't censor because we're so liberal and all. No, just plain uncensorable by design. Edit: language
gedy 9y ago
Yes, exactly.

AOsborn 9y ago

I accept the basis of your argument - that point scoring is unhelpful. However, I feel you're missing the point when discussing censorship. If censorship is to be justly applied, there must be some objective measure of what is offensive - which then must be applied equally regardless of political alignment. This is definitely not happening at the moment. Personally, I think a better perspective is to reduce and/or avoid censorship altogether, especially as far as internet infrastructure is concerned. Corporate entities shouldn't be enforcing the views of their stakeholders on the individual. Free speech is free speech, even if I don't like what you're saying.

mirimir 9y ago
> Personally, I think a better perspective is to reduce and/or avoid censorship altogether, especially as far as internet infrastructure is concerned. Yes! Systems ought to be designed such that censorship is impossible. Not just that we won't censor because we're so liberal and all. No, just plain uncensorable by design. Edit: language

gedy 9y ago

Yes, exactly.