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> The red flag, pictures of Mao, Stalin Where do you live that you see people marching in the street waving flags of communist dictatorships and ranting agains

> The red flag, pictures of Mao, Stalin Where do you live that you see people marching in the street waving flags of communist dictatorships and ranting against immigrants and... whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is... maybe... anti-vaccination? (that's sorta equally irrational)

Grue3 9y ago
I live in Russia, that stuff happens all the time. >whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is... Like the others said, it's just anti-Semitism. National Bolshevik Party is a good example.
xienze 9y ago
The left is very much pro-Palestine, anti-Israel. You must not be paying attention. And if you want to see Communist flags, go to any Bay Area protest. There's always Communist hangers-on in attendance.
- random023987 9y ago
  > The left is very much [...] anti-Israel. That's funny, someone should tell that to המחנה הציוני
- 0x4f3759df 9y ago
  The man on the street might be pro-Palestine, but all the politicians Left and Right are pro-Israel
legostormtroopr 9y ago
> whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is I believe that's just anti-Semetism. https://jewishjournal.org/2017/07/13/anti-semitism-and-anti-zionism-collide-at-chicago-dyke-march/ https://jewishjournal.org/2017/07/13/anti-semitism-and-anti-...
jquery 9y ago
They don't rant against immigrants, they rant against the bourgeois. And it's not a theoretical boogeyman, my wife's parents suffered greatly in China by having their property taken from them, a small factory they had worked hard for decades to build. To this day she cannot talk about it publicly for fear of what would happen to her parents.
- random023987 9y ago
  > They don't rant against immigrants, they rant against the bourgeois. In America, the "bourgeois" is usually called "The American Dream". Most Americans idealize the middle class income and middle-class lifestyle and middle-class families and middle-class values. Ranting against that is usually a non-starter. > my wife's parents suffered greatly in China by having their property taken from them Many people were killed in China, of starvation, political punishment, etc. It should be an object lesson to the world, don't turn your government over to a corrupt dictatorship, even if they promise you communism.
  - jquery 9y ago
    > In America, the "bourgeois" is usually called "The American Dream". Most Americans idealize the middle class income and middle-class lifestyle and middle-class families and middle-class values. Ranting against that is usually a non-starter. Ranting about the Jews is a non-starter, too, but neo-nazis manage. How much respect do you think the hard left has for the "American Dream"? > It should be an object lesson to the world, don't turn your government over to a corrupt dictatorship, even if they promise you communism. "Hey, let's turn over our country to a corrupt dictatorship", said nobody. The fact that communist flags are regularly flown at leftist protests should be a tremendous national scandal and embarrassment, with our media educating the populace on the horrors of communism. They should be no more tolerated than swastika flags.
    - random023987 9y ago
      > How much respect do you think the hard left has for the "American Dream"? I don't know what the "hard left" is, but I know that teachers, labor unions, and local political leaders are all about jobs and wages. > The fact that communist flags are regularly flown at leftist protests should be a tremendous national scandal and embarrassment, with our media educating the populace on the horrors of communism. Look at Boston. Tens of thousands of people marched. There was one guy with some socialist literature, and a couple guys who were anti-GMO food, and then someone trying to sell you a copy of his music CD. But the overwhelming majority stood for free speech, representative democracy, and equal protection under the law. But let's face it, you can walk into any Starbucks in Boston and find one crazy person there too.
Turing_Machine 9y ago
"Where do you live that you see people marching in the street waving flags of communist dictatorships" Happens in Berkeley on a weekly basis, dude. Maybe more often that that -- I don't live there, but I've seen plenty of pictures of people marching with communist flags, etc. Of course, t-shirts of Che Guevara are everywhere.
Yetanfou 9y ago
The leftist-version of antisemitism is antisemitism. In a study [1] done by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) this becomes clear. On page 29 a graph shows the answers to the following question: "Thinking about the incident in which somebody attacked or threatened you in a way that frightened you because you are Jewish – who did this to you?" The answers are, to some, surprising. There are 7 countries listed (Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Sweden and the UK). In only one those countries (Hungary) "right-wing" political views played a majority role. In two countries (Hungary and Germany) "right-wing" political views were a bigger threat than "left-wing" views. In three countries (France, Sweden and the UK) "left-wing" political views were a bigger threat than "right-wing" views. In one country (Italy) they are identical threats. Less surprising is that the biggest threat overall is neither "left-wing" nor "right-wing": in five out of seven countries (Belgium, France, Germany, Sweden and the UK) "muslim-extremist" views were the biggest threat factor, usually by a very large margin. The lowest threat came from those with "christian-extremist" views, only in one country (Hungary) were these a bigger threat that those with "muslim-extremist" views. [1] http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR_2017._Different_Antisemitisms_in_Sweden_and_across_Europe.pdf http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR_2017._Different_Antisemi...
ameister14 9y ago
>whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is... It's anti-semitism. That's shared on the left and right, unfortunately. The left couches it in pro-palestinian and anti-israeli rhetoric, but it's mostly just plain old anti-semitism. And as far as the marching in the street waving communist dictatorship flags, I've seen that about a half-dozen times, mostly in DC. It definitely happens.

Grue3 9y ago

I live in Russia, that stuff happens all the time. >whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is... Like the others said, it's just anti-Semitism. National Bolshevik Party is a good example.

xienze 9y ago

The left is very much pro-Palestine, anti-Israel. You must not be paying attention. And if you want to see Communist flags, go to any Bay Area protest. There's always Communist hangers-on in attendance.

random023987 9y ago
> The left is very much [...] anti-Israel. That's funny, someone should tell that to המחנה הציוני
0x4f3759df 9y ago
The man on the street might be pro-Palestine, but all the politicians Left and Right are pro-Israel

legostormtroopr 9y ago

> whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is I believe that's just anti-Semetism. https://jewishjournal.org/2017/07/13/anti-semitism-and-anti-zionism-collide-at-chicago-dyke-march/ https://jewishjournal.org/2017/07/13/anti-semitism-and-anti-...

jquery 9y ago

They don't rant against immigrants, they rant against the bourgeois. And it's not a theoretical boogeyman, my wife's parents suffered greatly in China by having their property taken from them, a small factory they had worked hard for decades to build. To this day she cannot talk about it publicly for fear of what would happen to her parents.

random023987 9y ago
> They don't rant against immigrants, they rant against the bourgeois. In America, the "bourgeois" is usually called "The American Dream". Most Americans idealize the middle class income and middle-class lifestyle and middle-class families and middle-class values. Ranting against that is usually a non-starter. > my wife's parents suffered greatly in China by having their property taken from them Many people were killed in China, of starvation, political punishment, etc. It should be an object lesson to the world, don't turn your government over to a corrupt dictatorship, even if they promise you communism.
- jquery 9y ago
  > In America, the "bourgeois" is usually called "The American Dream". Most Americans idealize the middle class income and middle-class lifestyle and middle-class families and middle-class values. Ranting against that is usually a non-starter. Ranting about the Jews is a non-starter, too, but neo-nazis manage. How much respect do you think the hard left has for the "American Dream"? > It should be an object lesson to the world, don't turn your government over to a corrupt dictatorship, even if they promise you communism. "Hey, let's turn over our country to a corrupt dictatorship", said nobody. The fact that communist flags are regularly flown at leftist protests should be a tremendous national scandal and embarrassment, with our media educating the populace on the horrors of communism. They should be no more tolerated than swastika flags.
  - random023987 9y ago
    > How much respect do you think the hard left has for the "American Dream"? I don't know what the "hard left" is, but I know that teachers, labor unions, and local political leaders are all about jobs and wages. > The fact that communist flags are regularly flown at leftist protests should be a tremendous national scandal and embarrassment, with our media educating the populace on the horrors of communism. Look at Boston. Tens of thousands of people marched. There was one guy with some socialist literature, and a couple guys who were anti-GMO food, and then someone trying to sell you a copy of his music CD. But the overwhelming majority stood for free speech, representative democracy, and equal protection under the law. But let's face it, you can walk into any Starbucks in Boston and find one crazy person there too.

Turing_Machine 9y ago

"Where do you live that you see people marching in the street waving flags of communist dictatorships" Happens in Berkeley on a weekly basis, dude. Maybe more often that that -- I don't live there, but I've seen plenty of pictures of people marching with communist flags, etc. Of course, t-shirts of Che Guevara are everywhere.

Yetanfou 9y ago

The leftist-version of antisemitism is antisemitism. In a study [1] done by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) this becomes clear. On page 29 a graph shows the answers to the following question: "Thinking about the incident in which somebody attacked or threatened you in a way that frightened you because you are Jewish – who did this to you?" The answers are, to some, surprising. There are 7 countries listed (Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Sweden and the UK). In only one those countries (Hungary) "right-wing" political views played a majority role. In two countries (Hungary and Germany) "right-wing" political views were a bigger threat than "left-wing" views. In three countries (France, Sweden and the UK) "left-wing" political views were a bigger threat than "right-wing" views. In one country (Italy) they are identical threats. Less surprising is that the biggest threat overall is neither "left-wing" nor "right-wing": in five out of seven countries (Belgium, France, Germany, Sweden and the UK) "muslim-extremist" views were the biggest threat factor, usually by a very large margin. The lowest threat came from those with "christian-extremist" views, only in one country (Hungary) were these a bigger threat that those with "muslim-extremist" views. [1] http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR_2017._Different_Antisemitisms_in_Sweden_and_across_Europe.pdf http://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR_2017._Different_Antisemi...

ameister14 9y ago

>whatever the leftist version of anti-Semitism is... It's anti-semitism. That's shared on the left and right, unfortunately. The left couches it in pro-palestinian and anti-israeli rhetoric, but it's mostly just plain old anti-semitism. And as far as the marching in the street waving communist dictatorship flags, I've seen that about a half-dozen times, mostly in DC. It definitely happens.