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When did you last see a rally of people with posters of Stalin marching through the street? What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in

When did you last see a rally of people with posters of Stalin marching through the street? What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US?

gedy 9y ago
> What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US? Maybe Berkeley? The Portland riots? That was frightening behavior.
- random023987 9y ago
  > Maybe Berkeley? The Portland riots? That was frightening behavior. You mean Antifa? Those aren't leftists, those are anarchists. They believe that government is incapable of protecting against fascism, and are instead committing vigilante violence. This doesn't represent the "left", who would instead fight fascism through constitutional and judicial protections. They only thing Antifa has in common with the left, is they both hate fascism. But they have completely different views on the role of government.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > You mean Antifa? Those aren't leftists, those are anarchists Antifa isn't all anarchists, those that are are mostly specifically anarchocommunists, and anarchocommunists are emphatically leftists.
    - random023987 9y ago
      > anarchocommunists are emphatically leftists Perhaps I should have been more specific, and clarify that the antifa values, goals, and belief systems (thank you for the term) anarchocommunisism is completely incompatible with the democratic-social capitalist hybrid model espoused by the contemporary American political left.
  - s_m_t 9y ago
    You could just as well say communists aren't on the left because communism is supposed to be a stateless society. If we're going to stupidly map all of politics onto one dimension we have to apply our reasoning equally stupid to both sides.
  - laretluval 9y ago
    Antifa may not have the same explicit political program as the "mainstream" left but when street fighting happens, they defend the left, not the right.
    - random023987 9y ago
      > Antifa may not have the same explicit political program as the "mainstream" left but when street fighting happens, they defend the left, not the right. You mean they attack the right. It's right there in the name, Anti-Fascists! The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend. They aren't out there advocating transgender rights or arguing for paid family leave. They are there to clash with Nazis.
StanislavPetrov 9y ago
>What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US? Only a fool tries to draw a distinction between hooded thugs that advocate violence against people they disagree with. Unfortunately there are people openly calling (and committing) violence from all across the political spectrum. https://www.halseynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/antifa.jpg https://www.halseynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/antifa...
gluelogic 9y ago
I actually remember seeing recent images of this very thing. If you image search for "2017 May Day protests stalin" you will see many different photographs, but to be fair it does look like the same single poster in all of the different photos. https://redyouthuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/may-day-2012-2.jpg?w=900 https://redyouthuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/may-day-2012-...
reaperducer 9y ago
Seattle, 2011. But there's probably been more. I don't hang out at these kinds of events.

When did you last see a rally of people with posters of Stalin marching through the street? What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US?

gedy 9y ago

> What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US? Maybe Berkeley? The Portland riots? That was frightening behavior.

random023987 9y ago
> Maybe Berkeley? The Portland riots? That was frightening behavior. You mean Antifa? Those aren't leftists, those are anarchists. They believe that government is incapable of protecting against fascism, and are instead committing vigilante violence. This doesn't represent the "left", who would instead fight fascism through constitutional and judicial protections. They only thing Antifa has in common with the left, is they both hate fascism. But they have completely different views on the role of government.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > You mean Antifa? Those aren't leftists, those are anarchists Antifa isn't all anarchists, those that are are mostly specifically anarchocommunists, and anarchocommunists are emphatically leftists.
  - random023987 9y ago
    > anarchocommunists are emphatically leftists Perhaps I should have been more specific, and clarify that the antifa values, goals, and belief systems (thank you for the term) anarchocommunisism is completely incompatible with the democratic-social capitalist hybrid model espoused by the contemporary American political left.
- s_m_t 9y ago
  You could just as well say communists aren't on the left because communism is supposed to be a stateless society. If we're going to stupidly map all of politics onto one dimension we have to apply our reasoning equally stupid to both sides.
- laretluval 9y ago
  Antifa may not have the same explicit political program as the "mainstream" left but when street fighting happens, they defend the left, not the right.
  - random023987 9y ago
    > Antifa may not have the same explicit political program as the "mainstream" left but when street fighting happens, they defend the left, not the right. You mean they attack the right. It's right there in the name, Anti-Fascists! The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend. They aren't out there advocating transgender rights or arguing for paid family leave. They are there to clash with Nazis.

StanislavPetrov 9y ago

>What's the left-wing equivalent of the hundreds of armed militias in the US? Only a fool tries to draw a distinction between hooded thugs that advocate violence against people they disagree with. Unfortunately there are people openly calling (and committing) violence from all across the political spectrum. https://www.halseynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/antifa.jpg https://www.halseynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/antifa...

gluelogic 9y ago

I actually remember seeing recent images of this very thing. If you image search for "2017 May Day protests stalin" you will see many different photographs, but to be fair it does look like the same single poster in all of the different photos. https://redyouthuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/may-day-2012-2.jpg?w=900 https://redyouthuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/may-day-2012-...

reaperducer 9y ago

Seattle, 2011. But there's probably been more. I don't hang out at these kinds of events.