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Isn't that one of the points of the new emojis, though? That unlike the previous ones, they're compatible with what other systems use.

by euyyn 9y ago

JetSpiegel 9y ago
If emoji are in Unicode, why can't I choose how to represent then? Isn't that the job of the font? If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. It would be like if a webpage requested Helvetica and you are using Linux the text simply wouldn't render.
- euyyn 9y ago
  > If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. Is this for real? You rather people have to stop using emojis and send images in their stead, than the different platforms give them the same meaning?
  - JetSpiegel 9y ago
    They have the same meaning, namely the one encoded in Unicode. Just because different platforms have different fonts does not charge they meaning. An "a" in Helvetica has the same meaning as in Times New Roman, but the glyph is different. "" means the same thing, even though I inputted it as the Android yellow blobs, I see it as a simple black and white symbol and an iPhone user reading this will see another different image.
    - euyyn 9y ago
      When people look for an emoji in their phone's keyboard to express something, they don't read the Unicode description for that emoji. When people receive them, they don't read the description either. Thus why it's important that, even if they don't have the same style across platforms (like an 'a' in Helvetica and in Times), they have to depict the same thing. For example, if from your HTC phone you send a smiley that looks pretty content and calm, users of most other platforms will receive it as "I'm freaking sick of this". The meaning encoded in Unicode for it is "face with look of triumph" ( https://emojipedia.org/face-with-look-of-triumph/ https://emojipedia.org/face-with-look-of-triumph/ ), which isn't what you meant, nor what your receiver understood.
plttn 9y ago
They were always technically speaking compatible (Nougat and iOS10 have Unicode parity iirc, now Oreo pushes ahead with new Unicode points). However, the blobs didn't always socially have the same meaning as iOS emojis. The push to the more circular emojis was to normalize them against iOS emojis, which for better or worse are the primary target of emoji use.

Isn't that one of the points of the new emojis, though? That unlike the previous ones, they're compatible with what other systems use.

by euyyn 9y ago

Isn't that one of the points of the new emojis, though? That unlike the previous ones, they're compatible with what other systems use.

JetSpiegel 9y ago

If emoji are in Unicode, why can't I choose how to represent then? Isn't that the job of the font? If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. It would be like if a webpage requested Helvetica and you are using Linux the text simply wouldn't render.

euyyn 9y ago
> If you want total control over what the recipient sees, send an image. Is this for real? You rather people have to stop using emojis and send images in their stead, than the different platforms give them the same meaning?
- JetSpiegel 9y ago
  They have the same meaning, namely the one encoded in Unicode. Just because different platforms have different fonts does not charge they meaning. An "a" in Helvetica has the same meaning as in Times New Roman, but the glyph is different. "" means the same thing, even though I inputted it as the Android yellow blobs, I see it as a simple black and white symbol and an iPhone user reading this will see another different image.
  - euyyn 9y ago
    When people look for an emoji in their phone's keyboard to express something, they don't read the Unicode description for that emoji. When people receive them, they don't read the description either. Thus why it's important that, even if they don't have the same style across platforms (like an 'a' in Helvetica and in Times), they have to depict the same thing. For example, if from your HTC phone you send a smiley that looks pretty content and calm, users of most other platforms will receive it as "I'm freaking sick of this". The meaning encoded in Unicode for it is "face with look of triumph" ( https://emojipedia.org/face-with-look-of-triumph/ https://emojipedia.org/face-with-look-of-triumph/ ), which isn't what you meant, nor what your receiver understood.

plttn 9y ago

They were always technically speaking compatible (Nougat and iOS10 have Unicode parity iirc, now Oreo pushes ahead with new Unicode points). However, the blobs didn't always socially have the same meaning as iOS emojis. The push to the more circular emojis was to normalize them against iOS emojis, which for better or worse are the primary target of emoji use.