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Yeah, Peterson is clearly politically active. For those who don't know, he rose from complete obscurity because he opposed an anti-transgender-discrimination bi

by otalp 9y ago

Yeah, Peterson is clearly politically active. For those who don't know, he rose from complete obscurity because he opposed an anti-transgender-discrimination bill in Canada. His argument was that it was a serious threat to free speech and would force him to use pronouns he didn't want to use, despite nothing like that being on the bill and despite numerous respectable legal scholars informing him that you could never get in trouble for not using a person's preferred pronoun because of this bill. But because of his "brave" fight against the bill, he's become a hero to alt-right and other people worried about transgendered people forcing everyone to use pronouns, and this is a lucrative market to attract. So lucrative that he now gets over $40,000 a month through Patreon alone for his classes, where he praises Carl jung, criticises post-modernism, the supposed infiltration of Marxism into culture and ideas like White Privilege and Cultural Appropriation He's also a regularly featured on r/badphilosophy(https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/comments/64rg9i/jordan_peterson_proof_itself_of_any_sort_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/comments/64rg9i/jorda...) while there is a good discussion about him on r/AskPhilosophy(https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/673zy2/dr_jordan_peterson_gets_a_bad_rep_on/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/673zy2/dr_jo...).

gragas 9y ago
>the supposed infiltration of Marxism into culture and ideas like White Privilege and Cultural Appropriation You can't argue that "white privilege" hasn't infiltrated culture. An alarming amount of people have openly disparaged white people when talking to me, even though I am white myself. If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. I think it's horrible and I think Peterson is right.
- jolux 9y ago
  Maybe that's the case, but I don't think white privilege and cultural appropriation are inherently Marxist ideas. A lot of Marxists actually reject them as revisionist attempts to bring liberal individualism and individual blame into class politics.
- tepe1 9y ago
  > If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. This is a fucking joke. You would only believe this if you had completely retreated into a paranoid fantasy just like what Peterson sells.
- gaius 9y ago
  If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago I'm sure Google, CloudFlare, PayPal etc will be shutting down that blatant hate speech too.
  - gragas 9y ago
    Those companies shouldn't be monitoring ideologies and morality. If they want to do that, it's their right. But I will purposefully avoid companies that ban any hate speech. I've already cut ties with Google and it feels great.
- jrs95 9y ago
  Even in Columbus, OH this is acceptable and common. People would say this relatively frequently at a startup I worked at (where nearly everyone was white, except a couple Asians), in addition to making really lame “white people” jokes. The only person to ever call anyone out for this was our black chef. Probably because his views on race were based in realty instead of some dystopian political fashion. Well, that, and I think anyone else saying anything about it would have been immediately accused of being racist and probably given some sort of formal warning.
jack9 9y ago
> despite numerous respectable legal scholars informing him that you could never get in trouble for not using a person's preferred pronoun because of this bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo As mentioned, his employer's lawyers did think so. The Adversarial Model (legal system) doesn't consider that some parties come to other conclusions. It would be ill-advised to listen to "experts" that are not part of a case, taking the advice of pundits* or other unconnected parties is not compelling evidence of legal finding. *It's primarily in the US, that the mass media promotes education pundits as corroboration in legal matters.

by otalp 9y ago

gragas 9y ago

>the supposed infiltration of Marxism into culture and ideas like White Privilege and Cultural Appropriation You can't argue that "white privilege" hasn't infiltrated culture. An alarming amount of people have openly disparaged white people when talking to me, even though I am white myself. If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. I think it's horrible and I think Peterson is right.

jolux 9y ago
Maybe that's the case, but I don't think white privilege and cultural appropriation are inherently Marxist ideas. A lot of Marxists actually reject them as revisionist attempts to bring liberal individualism and individual blame into class politics.
tepe1 9y ago
> If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. This is a fucking joke. You would only believe this if you had completely retreated into a paranoid fantasy just like what Peterson sells.
gaius 9y ago
If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago I'm sure Google, CloudFlare, PayPal etc will be shutting down that blatant hate speech too.
- gragas 9y ago
  Those companies shouldn't be monitoring ideologies and morality. If they want to do that, it's their right. But I will purposefully avoid companies that ban any hate speech. I've already cut ties with Google and it feels great.
jrs95 9y ago
Even in Columbus, OH this is acceptable and common. People would say this relatively frequently at a startup I worked at (where nearly everyone was white, except a couple Asians), in addition to making really lame “white people” jokes. The only person to ever call anyone out for this was our black chef. Probably because his views on race were based in realty instead of some dystopian political fashion. Well, that, and I think anyone else saying anything about it would have been immediately accused of being racist and probably given some sort of formal warning.

jack9 9y ago

> despite numerous respectable legal scholars informing him that you could never get in trouble for not using a person's preferred pronoun because of this bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo As mentioned, his employer's lawyers did think so. The Adversarial Model (legal system) doesn't consider that some parties come to other conclusions. It would be ill-advised to listen to "experts" that are not part of a case, taking the advice of pundits* or other unconnected parties is not compelling evidence of legal finding. *It's primarily in the US, that the mass media promotes education pundits as corroboration in legal matters.