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There are basically two options. 1. She suffered an accident on board and Madsen panicked. Knowing that his reputation would be fucked if someone died on board

There are basically two options. 1. She suffered an accident on board and Madsen panicked. Knowing that his reputation would be fucked if someone died on board he threw her overboard and claimed she was let go. 2. A sexual request went wrong. Madsen is known to be very forward. He is also in an open relationship with his wife. Wall might have freaked out leading Madsen to do something even more stupid than proposition her for sex.

tomjen3 9y ago
If 1 happened, the police would know, since they surfaced the boat.
- dtparr 9y ago
  How? Surely there are accidents that would leave little or no evidence after pulling the sub off the bottom. Blunt force trauma to the head or something similar where there was no blood loss, but severe internal injuries.
  - dTal 9y ago
    The fact that he deliberately sunk the boat strongly suggests there was evidence.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      It also strongly suggests that the evidence was of something a lot more serious than a mere accident.
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pvaldes 9y ago
Casual sex is not enough to explain this. In occident women decline this kind of proposals all the time. The european men know that this is normal and not a drama. Is deeply engraved in the culture. In 99,99% of the cases we'll need a stronger emotion for explain a murder than "my weekeend plan for casual sex with a complete stranger failed". I don't think that the man is just a crippled psycho in disguise. Smart people can't avoid thinking logically, even if their acts seem irrational. There is always a subjacent current of logic... And here comes the third option 3. The women did something that was taken as a menace to his current ego/status and elicit a strong 'defensive' reaction. The journalist can't be a menace for his wife or family (It seems they are publicly in an open relation). So probably is not sexual. The man loves with passion other thing; His work. Maybe she did something that was seen as a menace against the other love of his life, his submarine. Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China. I'm speculating of course, but unless he was drunk or drugged (unprobable while driving a sub), or both where flirting for months by e-mail and he feels cheated, there should be a solid reason for she being 'punished' with death. This is not a random act IMAO.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China. Really, this is the best you could come up with? This is a hobby sub, not something that is top secret and run by the US navy. Madsen's sub has no secrets worth a dime.
  - pvaldes 9y ago
    A hobby can mean still serious bussiness if you find the right buyer (Think in minecraft for example). Casually China has the strongest and biggest (ever-expanding) aquaculture sector in the entire planet. Militar technology is totally out of reach for they, too big, and uncloneable, but I bet that a lot of chinese (or norwegian) seafarming companies could find good uses for a toy like this.
jacquesm 9y ago
Ad. 1: If there really was an accident then such concerns would never overrule the feelings of the family and spouse/boyfriend to know what happened to their child / loved one unless one has zero empathy. So no, it was no accident because only then does Madsen have sufficient reason to lie about it and risk being found out.

tomjen3 9y ago

If 1 happened, the police would know, since they surfaced the boat.

dtparr 9y ago
How? Surely there are accidents that would leave little or no evidence after pulling the sub off the bottom. Blunt force trauma to the head or something similar where there was no blood loss, but severe internal injuries.
- dTal 9y ago
  The fact that he deliberately sunk the boat strongly suggests there was evidence.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    It also strongly suggests that the evidence was of something a lot more serious than a mere accident.

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pvaldes 9y ago

Casual sex is not enough to explain this. In occident women decline this kind of proposals all the time. The european men know that this is normal and not a drama. Is deeply engraved in the culture. In 99,99% of the cases we'll need a stronger emotion for explain a murder than "my weekeend plan for casual sex with a complete stranger failed". I don't think that the man is just a crippled psycho in disguise. Smart people can't avoid thinking logically, even if their acts seem irrational. There is always a subjacent current of logic... And here comes the third option 3. The women did something that was taken as a menace to his current ego/status and elicit a strong 'defensive' reaction. The journalist can't be a menace for his wife or family (It seems they are publicly in an open relation). So probably is not sexual. The man loves with passion other thing; His work. Maybe she did something that was seen as a menace against the other love of his life, his submarine. Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China. I'm speculating of course, but unless he was drunk or drugged (unprobable while driving a sub), or both where flirting for months by e-mail and he feels cheated, there should be a solid reason for she being 'punished' with death. This is not a random act IMAO.

jacquesm 9y ago
> Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China. Really, this is the best you could come up with? This is a hobby sub, not something that is top secret and run by the US navy. Madsen's sub has no secrets worth a dime.
- pvaldes 9y ago
  A hobby can mean still serious bussiness if you find the right buyer (Think in minecraft for example). Casually China has the strongest and biggest (ever-expanding) aquaculture sector in the entire planet. Militar technology is totally out of reach for they, too big, and uncloneable, but I bet that a lot of chinese (or norwegian) seafarming companies could find good uses for a toy like this.

jacquesm 9y ago

Ad. 1: If there really was an accident then such concerns would never overrule the feelings of the family and spouse/boyfriend to know what happened to their child / loved one unless one has zero empathy. So no, it was no accident because only then does Madsen have sufficient reason to lie about it and risk being found out.