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What do you propose?

aaomidi 9y ago
Use your own email, at least if gsuite takes it down you can host it elsewhere.
falcolas 9y ago
That Google reigns in the automated bans and automated appeals process, and provide time to do backups of their data and find an alternative solution. Ideally, if their goal is to reduce fraud and spam, they would offer people banned from their free email service a paid account under a different domain, or something similar. The longer that Google fails to take action, the more likely it is that the government will. ISPs and other major online services are looking more and more like common carriers from the point of view of the government officials. They already have an acronym which is used to refer to them - GAFA - a major warning sign. And like an elephant stepping on a mouse, the mouse won't be the only one affected when the government rouses itself.
- ucaetano 9y ago
  So if Google blocks someone for using Gmail to share child porn, they should give the user a chance to download the content?
  - falcolas 9y ago
    There is a fairly clear line between bans for illegal content, and bans for unpopular content. The two are nowhere near equivalent. Not to mention, the user information on the account has likely already been handed off to law enforcement, at which point a grace period is of no practical consequence.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > There is a fairly clear line between bans for illegal content, and bans for unpopular content. Not really, as Google has no special power to decide “illegal”. Unless you mean, a line between band directed specifically by the state (where a government orders specific accounts banned) and those decided by the service provider. > Not to mention, the user information on the account has likely already been handed off to law enforcement, at which point a grace period is of no practical consequence. If law enforcement disagreed with the service provider, there is a significant difference.
      - falcolas 9y ago
        > Google has no special power to decide “illegal”. They don't need to - that's been taken care of for them by the written law. Unpopular speech has yet to be considered illegal. If the law enforcement disagrees with the service provider about providing a grace period, then law enforcement can get a court order. It's a small hurdle, but it keeps everything on the level.

Use your own email, at least if gsuite takes it down you can host it elsewhere.

That Google reigns in the automated bans and automated appeals process, and provide time to do backups of their data and find an alternative solution. Ideally, if their goal is to reduce fraud and spam, they would offer people banned from their free email service a paid account under a different domain, or something similar. The longer that Google fails to take action, the more likely it is that the government will. ISPs and other major online services are looking more and more like common carriers from the point of view of the government officials. They already have an acronym which is used to refer to them - GAFA - a major warning sign. And like an elephant stepping on a mouse, the mouse won't be the only one affected when the government rouses itself.

ucaetano 9y ago
So if Google blocks someone for using Gmail to share child porn, they should give the user a chance to download the content?
- falcolas 9y ago
  There is a fairly clear line between bans for illegal content, and bans for unpopular content. The two are nowhere near equivalent. Not to mention, the user information on the account has likely already been handed off to law enforcement, at which point a grace period is of no practical consequence.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > There is a fairly clear line between bans for illegal content, and bans for unpopular content. Not really, as Google has no special power to decide “illegal”. Unless you mean, a line between band directed specifically by the state (where a government orders specific accounts banned) and those decided by the service provider. > Not to mention, the user information on the account has likely already been handed off to law enforcement, at which point a grace period is of no practical consequence. If law enforcement disagreed with the service provider, there is a significant difference.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      > Google has no special power to decide “illegal”. They don't need to - that's been taken care of for them by the written law. Unpopular speech has yet to be considered illegal. If the law enforcement disagrees with the service provider about providing a grace period, then law enforcement can get a court order. It's a small hurdle, but it keeps everything on the level.