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It was more likely some salvager cleaning out a warehouse of old crap. Maybe they were printed in the same Fab and a whole batch of these got mislabeled? Maybe

It was more likely some salvager cleaning out a warehouse of old crap. Maybe they were printed in the same Fab and a whole batch of these got mislabeled? Maybe someone intentionally relabeled them years ago back when they were worth more?

pavel_lishin 9y ago
I'd argue that if you don't know what you're selling, you're still committing fraud.
- cat199 9y ago
  So pretty much every grocery/convenince store, pharmacy, or any other retailer that relies on upstream supply chains is fraudulent because they have to rely on externally verified sources of trust and don't "know" what they are selling?
- rocky1138 9y ago
  Have you ever heard of 'mens rea' [0]? Essentially, I'd agree only if it could be proven that they knew the goods were shady but had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy and only used the ignorance as a shield to give them plausible deniability. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
noonespecial 9y ago
If that were the case, I'd care very much about a mislabeled/counterfeit good and thank the buyer very much for letting me know, as well as immediately giving that refund. Claiming that it was "damaged in shipping" is the shadiest part of the whole deal. It pretty much guarantees the intentional fraud of the seller.
- exelius 9y ago
  I dunno about that -- for it to be intentional fraud, it would require the seller to know something. He probably knows next to nothing about electronics and just looked prices up in a catalog for a bunch of inventory he got really cheap somewhere. Have you ever seen the show "Storage Wars"? It's really dumb, but basically people go bid on abandoned storage lockers. I assume everything on that show gets sold on eBay. The people on the show are not exactly the best and brightest...
- lb1lf 9y ago
  -Or, in my experience just as likely - your complaint isn't read, or at the very least not being comprehended - just registered as a complaint, standard answer sent off (damaged in shipping) and refund issued. I have four (4!) copies of a Raymond Chandler paperback; a major online retailer named after a ditto river had it listed as a hardcover edition; I receive my first paperback, get in touch stating I ordered a hardcover, got a paperback, please advise. They told me to keep the defective item, new being shipped immediately, very sorry &c. 2nd paperback arrive, I tell them again that what I ordered was a hardcover; very sorry, keep it, correct item coming soon. 3rd paperback arrive; I beg them to just check their inventory; book must have been wrongly classified. "Very sorry. Keep it, we'll send you a new one." I gave up. 4th book arrived. Anyone interested in a nice copy of "Killer in the rain"? Two copies? Pleeease?
  - joveian 9y ago
    I recently discovered this as well. It turns out that on ebay, "30 day money back guarantee" means "seller is not required to read messages and buyer may not leave feedback that points out that they don't". So as shady as the response seems, I agree with you that this equally likely.
    - alasdair_ 9y ago
      The worst thing about the "guarantee" is when they send you an item with expensive shipping (bulky/ heavy) that is completely wrong or incorrect. Then ebay demands that the buyer needs to pay for return shipping, despite doing nothing wrong. I don't want to pay $30+ on shipping to return an item that was incorrectly sent to me.
  - marssaxman 9y ago
    > named after a ditto river I'm assuming you are talking about Amazon, but this phrase caught my eye, and a quick net search turned up nothing: what on earth is a "ditto river"?
    - rangibaby 9y ago

pavel_lishin 9y ago

I'd argue that if you don't know what you're selling, you're still committing fraud.

cat199 9y ago
So pretty much every grocery/convenince store, pharmacy, or any other retailer that relies on upstream supply chains is fraudulent because they have to rely on externally verified sources of trust and don't "know" what they are selling?
rocky1138 9y ago
Have you ever heard of 'mens rea' [0]? Essentially, I'd agree only if it could be proven that they knew the goods were shady but had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy and only used the ignorance as a shield to give them plausible deniability. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

noonespecial 9y ago

If that were the case, I'd care very much about a mislabeled/counterfeit good and thank the buyer very much for letting me know, as well as immediately giving that refund. Claiming that it was "damaged in shipping" is the shadiest part of the whole deal. It pretty much guarantees the intentional fraud of the seller.

exelius 9y ago
I dunno about that -- for it to be intentional fraud, it would require the seller to know something. He probably knows next to nothing about electronics and just looked prices up in a catalog for a bunch of inventory he got really cheap somewhere. Have you ever seen the show "Storage Wars"? It's really dumb, but basically people go bid on abandoned storage lockers. I assume everything on that show gets sold on eBay. The people on the show are not exactly the best and brightest...
lb1lf 9y ago
-Or, in my experience just as likely - your complaint isn't read, or at the very least not being comprehended - just registered as a complaint, standard answer sent off (damaged in shipping) and refund issued. I have four (4!) copies of a Raymond Chandler paperback; a major online retailer named after a ditto river had it listed as a hardcover edition; I receive my first paperback, get in touch stating I ordered a hardcover, got a paperback, please advise. They told me to keep the defective item, new being shipped immediately, very sorry &c. 2nd paperback arrive, I tell them again that what I ordered was a hardcover; very sorry, keep it, correct item coming soon. 3rd paperback arrive; I beg them to just check their inventory; book must have been wrongly classified. "Very sorry. Keep it, we'll send you a new one." I gave up. 4th book arrived. Anyone interested in a nice copy of "Killer in the rain"? Two copies? Pleeease?
- joveian 9y ago
  I recently discovered this as well. It turns out that on ebay, "30 day money back guarantee" means "seller is not required to read messages and buyer may not leave feedback that points out that they don't". So as shady as the response seems, I agree with you that this equally likely.
  - alasdair_ 9y ago
    The worst thing about the "guarantee" is when they send you an item with expensive shipping (bulky/ heavy) that is completely wrong or incorrect. Then ebay demands that the buyer needs to pay for return shipping, despite doing nothing wrong. I don't want to pay $30+ on shipping to return an item that was incorrectly sent to me.
- marssaxman 9y ago
  > named after a ditto river I'm assuming you are talking about Amazon, but this phrase caught my eye, and a quick net search turned up nothing: what on earth is a "ditto river"?
  - rangibaby 9y ago