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I don't read Breitbart (nor most media tbh), but I just skimmed through this site and can't find anything related to national socialism. It just looks like anot

by 0x27081990 9y ago

I don't read Breitbart (nor most media tbh), but I just skimmed through this site and can't find anything related to national socialism. It just looks like another right-wing news site, being that national socialism is a center-wing political stance, I think it is incompatible in principle. Do you have any link of them claiming to be nazis or taking nazis stances about something? Or do you just call nazi anyone who disagrees with you? Not trying to pick a fight, just honestly asking.

Pigo 9y ago
This is an artifact of the real echo-chamber people should be concerned about.
Y14NZZRhRT5 9y ago
The nazi thing is just the next smear campaign after muh russia narrative.
mikeash 9y ago
Nazis are centrists now? What the fuck.
- 0x27081990 9y ago
  Maybe you're a bit confused about political ideologies. Check https://www.politicalcompass.org/test https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
  - mikeash 9y ago
    If you want to use your own version of "left" and "right" then you can put Nazis anywhere you like.
    - 0x27081990 9y ago
      Aren't you using your own version? The original meaning of left and right is the French Revolution, where people who sat on the left wanted revolution and people who sat on the right wanted to keep the status quo. People who sat in the center wanted a little bit of both. Then the definition transitioned to left being collectivism and right being capitalism. But for some reason a good portion of academia (to not say most) labeled right as authoritarian and violent, and left as humanitarian and progressive. Hell, even Wikipedia and Google definitions says that national socialism is a far right-wing movement. So I don't blame you, definitions are a bit messy
      - mikeash 9y ago
        I'm using the common version. It's not that the right is authoritarian and violent and the left is humanitarian and progressive. It's that extremes on both sides are authoritarian and violent, but differently. (Nazis vs Communists being the obvious example there.) I actually think the 2D version discussed in your link makes a lot of sense overall. But I think it's a mistake to label the horizontal axis as "Left/Right." Just label it "Collectivist/Individualist" like the vertical is labeled "Authoritarian/Libertarian."
tpush 9y ago
A right-wing website being "incompatible in principle" with national socialism which is "center-wing"?? Do you realize what you are saying here?
- 0x27081990 9y ago
  Well, I can list a few incompatibilities if you want: * Right-wing is usually in favor of free market and free enterprise, whilst NSAP stole private property (mostly from Jews) and heavily controlled the economy, also got out of the international financial system. * Right-wing is usually against gun controls, whilst NSAP was very gun control. * Right-wing is usually pro free speech for everyone no matter what. NSAP was not pro free speech. Government literally ran the media. * Right-wing is mostly against welfare state, while NSAP was very pro welfare state. In fact Otto von Bismarck (a personal hero for Hitler) was the creator of the welfare state as we know it. They do, however share some nationalism views and don't like open borders, and think that protectionism is ok. So there's that.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Right-wing is usually in favor of free market and free enterprise Nope; while that's a libertarian point of view also shared (though typically balanced against other concerns, for those not primarily libertarians) by a number of center- and moderate-right (and center- and moderate-left) groups. > Right-wing is usually against gun controls, whilst NSAP was very gun control. That's a fairly recent quirk of the American Republican party, not true of the general right-wing. > Right-wing is usually pro free speech for everyone no matter what. NSAP was not pro free speech. Government literally ran the media. Free speech, is again, a libertarian position with fairly broad support from the moderate left to moderate right, though those that aren't primarily libertarians on both sides tend to be likely to favor significant restrictions because of competing priorities. Pure free speech has never been a position typifying the right wing. > > Right-wing is mostly against welfare state, while NSAP was very pro welfare state No, the NSDAP was not pro-welfare state. (The welfare state is not just any state that does more than libertarian minarchists would prefer.)
  - mikeash 9y ago
tpush 9y ago
A right-wing website being "incompatible in principle" with national socialism which is "center-wing"?? Do you realize what you are saying here?

Pigo 9y ago

This is an artifact of the real echo-chamber people should be concerned about.

Y14NZZRhRT5 9y ago

The nazi thing is just the next smear campaign after muh russia narrative.

mikeash 9y ago

Nazis are centrists now? What the fuck.

0x27081990 9y ago
Maybe you're a bit confused about political ideologies. Check https://www.politicalcompass.org/test https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
- mikeash 9y ago
  If you want to use your own version of "left" and "right" then you can put Nazis anywhere you like.
  - 0x27081990 9y ago
    Aren't you using your own version? The original meaning of left and right is the French Revolution, where people who sat on the left wanted revolution and people who sat on the right wanted to keep the status quo. People who sat in the center wanted a little bit of both. Then the definition transitioned to left being collectivism and right being capitalism. But for some reason a good portion of academia (to not say most) labeled right as authoritarian and violent, and left as humanitarian and progressive. Hell, even Wikipedia and Google definitions says that national socialism is a far right-wing movement. So I don't blame you, definitions are a bit messy
    - mikeash 9y ago
      I'm using the common version. It's not that the right is authoritarian and violent and the left is humanitarian and progressive. It's that extremes on both sides are authoritarian and violent, but differently. (Nazis vs Communists being the obvious example there.) I actually think the 2D version discussed in your link makes a lot of sense overall. But I think it's a mistake to label the horizontal axis as "Left/Right." Just label it "Collectivist/Individualist" like the vertical is labeled "Authoritarian/Libertarian."

tpush 9y ago

A right-wing website being "incompatible in principle" with national socialism which is "center-wing"?? Do you realize what you are saying here?

0x27081990 9y ago
Well, I can list a few incompatibilities if you want: * Right-wing is usually in favor of free market and free enterprise, whilst NSAP stole private property (mostly from Jews) and heavily controlled the economy, also got out of the international financial system. * Right-wing is usually against gun controls, whilst NSAP was very gun control. * Right-wing is usually pro free speech for everyone no matter what. NSAP was not pro free speech. Government literally ran the media. * Right-wing is mostly against welfare state, while NSAP was very pro welfare state. In fact Otto von Bismarck (a personal hero for Hitler) was the creator of the welfare state as we know it. They do, however share some nationalism views and don't like open borders, and think that protectionism is ok. So there's that.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Right-wing is usually in favor of free market and free enterprise Nope; while that's a libertarian point of view also shared (though typically balanced against other concerns, for those not primarily libertarians) by a number of center- and moderate-right (and center- and moderate-left) groups. > Right-wing is usually against gun controls, whilst NSAP was very gun control. That's a fairly recent quirk of the American Republican party, not true of the general right-wing. > Right-wing is usually pro free speech for everyone no matter what. NSAP was not pro free speech. Government literally ran the media. Free speech, is again, a libertarian position with fairly broad support from the moderate left to moderate right, though those that aren't primarily libertarians on both sides tend to be likely to favor significant restrictions because of competing priorities. Pure free speech has never been a position typifying the right wing. > > Right-wing is mostly against welfare state, while NSAP was very pro welfare state No, the NSDAP was not pro-welfare state. (The welfare state is not just any state that does more than libertarian minarchists would prefer.)
- mikeash 9y ago

tpush 9y ago

A right-wing website being "incompatible in principle" with national socialism which is "center-wing"?? Do you realize what you are saying here?