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>What do nazi ideologies fall under? They are illegal in Germany and not protected by free speech no? I believe in Germany you are correct, yes. >why is hate
by docdeek 9y ago
>What do nazi ideologies fall under? They are illegal in Germany and not protected by free speech no?
I believe in Germany you are correct, yes.
>why is hate speech protected by freedom of speech, is it so that dictators can't accuse people critisizing them of hate speech?
In a decision on a 1st Amendment case Samuel Alito wrote:
"Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”"
I see legally protecting hate speech as the 'cost' of not having someone else decide what counts as allowable speech.
I live in France where there are stricter limits to speech. Quoting Wikipedia on French hate speech laws, French "laws forbid any communication which is intended to incite discrimination against, hatred of, or harm to, anyone because of his belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or because he or she has a handicap ."
That's all well and good for me...up until the point where someone starts questioning what a nation is, for example. Or what an ethnicity is.
We also can't deny crimes against humanity and genocides here. I wouldn't want to do so, but having that restriction on speech means that there is someone charged with deciding whether something rises to the point of genocide (where denial is illegal and punished by law) or 'merely' a mass killing (deny it all you like). Given the choice between the French and American laws on hate speech, I'd prefer living under the latter.
- wellboy 9y agoI just had a look and in almost all western countries hate speech is forbidden based on race, sexual orientation, gender, religion and is punishable by law EXCEPT in the united states. So what does that mean? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
- oh_sigh 9y agoThat the US has stronger freedom of speech protections?