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I'm JVM guy and really wish this platform has something like F# - "minimalistic" functional language (not like Scala) with static, powerful type system (not lik

I'm JVM guy and really wish this platform has something like F# - "minimalistic" functional language (not like Scala) with static, powerful type system (not like Clojure).

berdario 9y ago
Have you seen Frege and Eta? https://github.com/Frege/frege https://github.com/Frege/frege http://eta-lang.org http://eta-lang.org
- jabl 9y ago
  eta looks interesting for Haskell refugees in Java-land.. That being said, any idea why they started from scratch instead of building on or contributing to frege?
  - kuschku 9y ago
    They had ideological differences, Frege focusing on the Haskell standard, Eta on "whatever GHC does".
    - cutler 9y ago
      Pure FP language communities have a lot in common with extreme left movements where small differences can lead to complete forks. There seems to be an equivalence between purity and intolerance.
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KirinDave 9y ago
It's too bad, because Scala could have been more judicious in how it marketed this. Scala has a lot of nice features, but its a very disorienting environment when it's used as a "backwards haskell".
- Joeri 9y ago
  I've been writing a bunch of scala and it does feel like there's an elegantly minimal language hiding in a somewhat baroque one. The trouble is that I can't really point at what parts are the minimal subset and what parts are excessive. Even the truly weird stuff like implicit defs and package objects make sense in some contexts. It suffers from the same problem as C++, individually the features make sense, but combined they're too much.
  - cutler 9y ago
    Yes, it's the combination of features that's problematic. They don't compose well. I'd also say implicits are probably responsible for many developers rejecting Scala outright. They're an abomination as far as maintainability and IDE integration are concerned.

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I'm JVM guy and really wish this platform has something like F# - "minimalistic" functional language (not like Scala) with static, powerful type system (not lik

by kornakiewicz 9y ago

I'm JVM guy and really wish this platform has something like F# - "minimalistic" functional language (not like Scala) with static, powerful type system (not like Clojure).

berdario 9y ago
Have you seen Frege and Eta? https://github.com/Frege/frege https://github.com/Frege/frege http://eta-lang.org http://eta-lang.org
- jabl 9y ago
  eta looks interesting for Haskell refugees in Java-land.. That being said, any idea why they started from scratch instead of building on or contributing to frege?
  - kuschku 9y ago
    They had ideological differences, Frege focusing on the Haskell standard, Eta on "whatever GHC does".
    - cutler 9y ago
      Pure FP language communities have a lot in common with extreme left movements where small differences can lead to complete forks. There seems to be an equivalence between purity and intolerance.
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KirinDave 9y ago
It's too bad, because Scala could have been more judicious in how it marketed this. Scala has a lot of nice features, but its a very disorienting environment when it's used as a "backwards haskell".
- Joeri 9y ago
  I've been writing a bunch of scala and it does feel like there's an elegantly minimal language hiding in a somewhat baroque one. The trouble is that I can't really point at what parts are the minimal subset and what parts are excessive. Even the truly weird stuff like implicit defs and package objects make sense in some contexts. It suffers from the same problem as C++, individually the features make sense, but combined they're too much.
  - cutler 9y ago
    Yes, it's the combination of features that's problematic. They don't compose well. I'd also say implicits are probably responsible for many developers rejecting Scala outright. They're an abomination as far as maintainability and IDE integration are concerned.