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Why has this disappeared from the front page? I'm reading it, return to upvote, and its gone :(

by willvarfar 9y ago

alexjikim 9y ago
whoa, same here
- anewhnaccount2 9y ago
  Shadow flagged I guess.
coolswan 9y ago
on the front page for me.
dang 9y ago
Users flagged it. This is obviously a substantive article by HN standards so I've turned off flags.
- rimliu 9y ago
  Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.
  - dang 9y ago
    > Now it seems I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.
    - rimliu 9y ago
      I am probably missing something, but does that mean that you can do anything as long as you do it seldom enough?
      - dang 9y ago
        It means that a tiny floating-point delta is not a bitwise negation.
      - DanBC 9y ago
        People were abusing the flag option. It's a good thing that mods fix that.
  - sgift 9y ago
    Flagging is a separate system from upvotes. It still needs upvotes to be on the front page - which it has.
    - rimliu 9y ago
      What difference does it make if it is the same system or the separate one? I am talking about users' will being ignored there on the whim of someone, just because s/he knows better.
      - sgift 9y ago
        Flagging is - as far as I know - not intended as some system to impose the users 'will'. HN does not allow downvoting of submissions. Flagging is a mechanism to remove topics which are off-topic and/or low-quality from HN, not to remove topics some people don't like.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        Flagging allows a relatively small number of users to bury a story before most have had a chance to see it. Often this is good, sometimes it isn't. In HN, it's the mods right and duty to override when latter happens.
- abalone 9y ago
  Seems like that may have happened with this very substantive Bloomberg article today as well, worth reading, "How Women Got Crowded Out of the Computing Revolution": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15058338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15058338 It was on the front page then disappeared quickly, then flagged and unflagged. I fear however that by the time it was unflagged it lost momentum and never had a chance to make it back. Here's a thought: Would it make sense to reset the decay rate for unflagged articles to counteract such effects?
  - joering2 9y ago
    +1. Beautiful irony isnt it? We have flag post feature... but if some HN God (admin) decides its still worth commenting, they turn the flag off. Its just another form of censorship at HN disposal right after list of blacklisted sites that automatically gets stories deleted. I say either have the feature and use it all the time, or dont have it at all. Otherwise Im not ready what HN comminity posted/wants to talk about. Im ready cherrypicked handful of articles/comments that some HN admin-God was willing to approve. Frankly, truly sickening!

Why has this disappeared from the front page? I'm reading it, return to upvote, and its gone :(

alexjikim 9y ago

whoa, same here

anewhnaccount2 9y ago
Shadow flagged I guess.

coolswan 9y ago

on the front page for me.

dang 9y ago

Users flagged it. This is obviously a substantive article by HN standards so I've turned off flags.

rimliu 9y ago
Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.
- dang 9y ago
  > Now it seems I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.
  - rimliu 9y ago
    I am probably missing something, but does that mean that you can do anything as long as you do it seldom enough?
    - dang 9y ago
      It means that a tiny floating-point delta is not a bitwise negation.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      People were abusing the flag option. It's a good thing that mods fix that.
- sgift 9y ago
  Flagging is a separate system from upvotes. It still needs upvotes to be on the front page - which it has.
  - rimliu 9y ago
    What difference does it make if it is the same system or the separate one? I am talking about users' will being ignored there on the whim of someone, just because s/he knows better.
    - sgift 9y ago
      Flagging is - as far as I know - not intended as some system to impose the users 'will'. HN does not allow downvoting of submissions. Flagging is a mechanism to remove topics which are off-topic and/or low-quality from HN, not to remove topics some people don't like.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Flagging allows a relatively small number of users to bury a story before most have had a chance to see it. Often this is good, sometimes it isn't. In HN, it's the mods right and duty to override when latter happens.
abalone 9y ago
Seems like that may have happened with this very substantive Bloomberg article today as well, worth reading, "How Women Got Crowded Out of the Computing Revolution": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15058338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15058338 It was on the front page then disappeared quickly, then flagged and unflagged. I fear however that by the time it was unflagged it lost momentum and never had a chance to make it back. Here's a thought: Would it make sense to reset the decay rate for unflagged articles to counteract such effects?
- joering2 9y ago
  +1. Beautiful irony isnt it? We have flag post feature... but if some HN God (admin) decides its still worth commenting, they turn the flag off. Its just another form of censorship at HN disposal right after list of blacklisted sites that automatically gets stories deleted. I say either have the feature and use it all the time, or dont have it at all. Otherwise Im not ready what HN comminity posted/wants to talk about. Im ready cherrypicked handful of articles/comments that some HN admin-God was willing to approve. Frankly, truly sickening!