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My Second-Hand CS Degree

42 points by rexstjohn 9y ago

zengid 9y ago
> Rewrite algorithms and core concepts in simple language with lots of swears to make them easier to understand and remember This is bit-flipping great, man!
czbond 9y ago
Fun interesting article - I'd like to apply this to my kids (6 and 4) to keep them from wasting their time.
- k__ 9y ago
  Interesting that Bachelors aren't mandatory for a master in the US.
  - rrobukef 9y ago
    In europe you could do almost the same. Most courses can be exempt. Only the social courses and the final can't. You can do those in 1 year. Masters have this too.
matthberg 9y ago
Hey rexstjohn, great article. It would be interesting to see those notebooks of yours, I'm sure many people would be interested if you uploaded them to your site, or linked them to HN.
lucidguppy 9y ago
I wonder how much we've hobbled our species with Academic Nonsense-Speak. We need to learn how to teach better and cheaper.
- tsukikage 9y ago
  The devil is in the details. "You just divide that shit in half and move the bigger ones to the right and the smaller ones to the left. Then you do that shit over and over again until its sorted." Between that and an actual working, sane quicksort implementation there is a large number of rakes in the grass for you to step on. Explaining where these rakes are, what they look like and how to avoid them involves a surprisingly lengthy, tedious discussion which can made much, much shorter and less tedious if you can use words that refer very precisely to things that the teacher expects the student to already know: "Academic Nonsense-Speak". One can choose to learn things in a sensible order, assimilating each new little tidbit of knowledge with only a little effort as it is supported by all the "Academic Nonsense-Speak" one already knows. Or one can decide they just need this one thing and nothing else, and shout "how I mine for quicksort? codez in plain english plz" into the void, and get back a sentence or two of plain english like the above; and stumble towards their goal from there by trial and error, cursing loudly and asking for more help and bemoaning people's reluctance to just answer in plain English all the while, as one steps on all the rakes one by one. I see a lot of this on SO. It probably doesn't even take very much longer, in all. To each their own. (Mind, I in no way am defending US education costs or textbook publishing practices. That is a very separate discussion to that on jargon.)
  - lucidguppy 9y ago
    Where I think your argument falls flat is when you compare good teachers to bad ones. Good teachers explain things so that students can understand - and explain the rakes. Bad teachers put up walls of academic nonsense-speak - point at it with a laser - and expect you to know what they are teaching already. Not all Academic Speech is "nonsense speak". For example - many students really learn the material from supplementary material (good academic speak) vs textbook (nonsense speak). https://www.amazon.com/Signals-Systems-Made-Ridiculously-Simple/dp/0964375214 https://www.amazon.com/Signals-Systems-Made-Ridiculously-Sim... https://www.amazon.com/Div-Grad-Curl-All-That/dp/0393925161/ https://www.amazon.com/Div-Grad-Curl-All-That/dp/0393925161/ These examples show that you explain things well or poorly - explaining things poorly has a direct effect on humanity in the long run.
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shkibb 9y ago
Great article. If only that 30% bit were true about Rudin.
sand500 9y ago
Good on you for having the discipline for acually following through with this. As someone once told me, everything that will probably be taught in college is already on the internet somewhere. I think learning how to learn is one of the most important things for programmers to learn.
zumu 9y ago
> By the end of my studies, this guide was only about 20 pages of bullet points. Would love to see those 20 pages! On the other hand, maybe that defeats the point... Is there advice or resource you might want to pass along to someone considering walking the same path?
- senc 9y ago
  I'm seconding this. I've got a little bit of coding experience under my belt but I've already gone through 2 fruitless years of schooling and I can no longer do physical work because of an injury gained from my last job. Instead of wasting my time for another 2-3 years getting bits and pieces, I'd be really interested in your condensed essentials!
- Fjolsvith 9y ago
  Third...
- fandawg195 9y ago
  Fourth... I'd love to get a copy as well please!
k__ 9y ago
Reminds me that I still have a CS master to finish. Somehow I started the thesis 2 times but never got over the exposé. Work always gets between me and my degree, haha
dsq 9y ago
What about the advanced mathematics courses that are obligatory in computer science? Calculus, linear algebra, discrete math, probability, boolean algebra, statistics, and others? I see no mention. Lacking these, I doubt one could be accepted for an advanced degree in CS in a reputable university.
- heavenlyblue 9y ago
  What about academic writing? Knowing the vocabulary so that you wouldn't be that guy in the room speaking in sentences where you could just use a concept? General understanding how academia works? Raising money, realising the potential of every other person in the room? People tend to forget that "Computer Science" is _science_. The guy seems to be focusing on something that would be called Software Engineering course in the UK.
digitalzombie 9y ago
> Be skeptical if anyone ever tells you that you need a degree to do anything Everybody learn differently. I actually learn better in an academic setting. So a degree is actually the best choice for me.
dbhatte 9y ago
Can please you share the list of textbooks or the courses that you took? Would be better if you share the 20 pages

42 points by rexstjohn 9y ago

> Rewrite algorithms and core concepts in simple language with lots of swears to make them easier to understand and remember This is bit-flipping great, man!

czbond 9y ago

Fun interesting article - I'd like to apply this to my kids (6 and 4) to keep them from wasting their time.

k__ 9y ago
Interesting that Bachelors aren't mandatory for a master in the US.
- rrobukef 9y ago
  In europe you could do almost the same. Most courses can be exempt. Only the social courses and the final can't. You can do those in 1 year. Masters have this too.

matthberg 9y ago

Hey rexstjohn, great article. It would be interesting to see those notebooks of yours, I'm sure many people would be interested if you uploaded them to your site, or linked them to HN.

lucidguppy 9y ago

I wonder how much we've hobbled our species with Academic Nonsense-Speak. We need to learn how to teach better and cheaper.

tsukikage 9y ago
The devil is in the details. "You just divide that shit in half and move the bigger ones to the right and the smaller ones to the left. Then you do that shit over and over again until its sorted." Between that and an actual working, sane quicksort implementation there is a large number of rakes in the grass for you to step on. Explaining where these rakes are, what they look like and how to avoid them involves a surprisingly lengthy, tedious discussion which can made much, much shorter and less tedious if you can use words that refer very precisely to things that the teacher expects the student to already know: "Academic Nonsense-Speak". One can choose to learn things in a sensible order, assimilating each new little tidbit of knowledge with only a little effort as it is supported by all the "Academic Nonsense-Speak" one already knows. Or one can decide they just need this one thing and nothing else, and shout "how I mine for quicksort? codez in plain english plz" into the void, and get back a sentence or two of plain english like the above; and stumble towards their goal from there by trial and error, cursing loudly and asking for more help and bemoaning people's reluctance to just answer in plain English all the while, as one steps on all the rakes one by one. I see a lot of this on SO. It probably doesn't even take very much longer, in all. To each their own. (Mind, I in no way am defending US education costs or textbook publishing practices. That is a very separate discussion to that on jargon.)
- lucidguppy 9y ago
  Where I think your argument falls flat is when you compare good teachers to bad ones. Good teachers explain things so that students can understand - and explain the rakes. Bad teachers put up walls of academic nonsense-speak - point at it with a laser - and expect you to know what they are teaching already. Not all Academic Speech is "nonsense speak". For example - many students really learn the material from supplementary material (good academic speak) vs textbook (nonsense speak). https://www.amazon.com/Signals-Systems-Made-Ridiculously-Simple/dp/0964375214 https://www.amazon.com/Signals-Systems-Made-Ridiculously-Sim... https://www.amazon.com/Div-Grad-Curl-All-That/dp/0393925161/ https://www.amazon.com/Div-Grad-Curl-All-That/dp/0393925161/ These examples show that you explain things well or poorly - explaining things poorly has a direct effect on humanity in the long run.

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shkibb 9y ago

Great article. If only that 30% bit were true about Rudin.

sand500 9y ago

Good on you for having the discipline for acually following through with this. As someone once told me, everything that will probably be taught in college is already on the internet somewhere. I think learning how to learn is one of the most important things for programmers to learn.

zumu 9y ago

> By the end of my studies, this guide was only about 20 pages of bullet points. Would love to see those 20 pages! On the other hand, maybe that defeats the point... Is there advice or resource you might want to pass along to someone considering walking the same path?

senc 9y ago
I'm seconding this. I've got a little bit of coding experience under my belt but I've already gone through 2 fruitless years of schooling and I can no longer do physical work because of an injury gained from my last job. Instead of wasting my time for another 2-3 years getting bits and pieces, I'd be really interested in your condensed essentials!
Fjolsvith 9y ago
Third...
fandawg195 9y ago
Fourth... I'd love to get a copy as well please!

k__ 9y ago

Reminds me that I still have a CS master to finish. Somehow I started the thesis 2 times but never got over the exposé. Work always gets between me and my degree, haha

dsq 9y ago

What about the advanced mathematics courses that are obligatory in computer science? Calculus, linear algebra, discrete math, probability, boolean algebra, statistics, and others? I see no mention. Lacking these, I doubt one could be accepted for an advanced degree in CS in a reputable university.

heavenlyblue 9y ago
What about academic writing? Knowing the vocabulary so that you wouldn't be that guy in the room speaking in sentences where you could just use a concept? General understanding how academia works? Raising money, realising the potential of every other person in the room? People tend to forget that "Computer Science" is _science_. The guy seems to be focusing on something that would be called Software Engineering course in the UK.

digitalzombie 9y ago

> Be skeptical if anyone ever tells you that you need a degree to do anything Everybody learn differently. I actually learn better in an academic setting. So a degree is actually the best choice for me.

dbhatte 9y ago

Can please you share the list of textbooks or the courses that you took? Would be better if you share the 20 pages