> I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Goo

> I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Google search will easily allow people to make up their own minds--but suffice it to say that I don't find him professional enough to rely on a project that he leads. Hibernate and EJB3 were both lead by Gavin and are widely used. Hibernate, in particular, was massively successful too.