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A better analogy would be the founders of TPB. They went to jail for getting money from pirated content (ads). What do you think will happen to you when you try

A better analogy would be the founders of TPB. They went to jail for getting money from pirated content (ads). What do you think will happen to you when you try to extract any money at all from a network that people are using for darknet purposes? And you're adding Tor support and testing Tails for them. Except wait, you're insulated from these ill effects because your founders are former spooks. You have ties to protect you. I wonder why anyone would want to create a Tor equivalent for a marketplace for physical goods? Especially the government? It's interesting how you're deflecting at the end -- I do think this is a terrible idea, and has the potential to unlock the gates of hell onto the world in the form of addicts having an endless supply of their addiction at the push of a button. But if you're determined to build your business on the backs of these people, then I am determined to beat you. If this technology is inevitable, then I think it's best not to let you come out on top. We'll see if anyone agrees.

tylersmith 9y ago
I don't know what you think I'm trying to deflect from but if you spell it out for me I'm more than happy to be candid. "A better analogy would be the founders of TPB. They went to jail for getting money from pirated content (ads). What do you think will happen to you when you try to extract any money at all from a network that people are using for darknet purposes?" TPB is a search engine for pirated content. OB1 search, duosear.ch, and mubiz.com (the main 3 OB search engines) do not show illicit content. If anybody happens across some please notify us immediately. "Except wait, you're insulated from these ill effects because your founders are former spooks. You have ties to protect you." Brian used to work for Booz Allen. That's it. I don't know which others you're referring to. I highly doubt Brian has government protection. "Especially the government?" The government has no involvement in OpenBazaar but even if they did, so does Tor. What do you think the Tor project is trying to hide?! "But if you're determined to build your business on the backs of these people, then I am determined to beat you." If you truly believe it's such a horrible project (the scariest you've ever heard of you said), then trying to out compete us seems extremely hypocritical.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me, then trying to point out it's hypocritical to compete with you. :) When it's possible for a new technology to be created and fundamentally shape society, it will inevitably be created. There is a chance that you're right about OB. If you are, then the first entity to make this technology work will have a massive advantage, just like Bitcoin and Tor do. People look to the Bitcoin core dev team for ideological guidance. You will have a lot of influence. Now, the fact that you plan to make money by offering a search feature changes nothing about the underlying usage of the network. You're adding Tor support. You know what that means, and what the implications are. Again, you are not being straight with us -- notify us of illegal content immediately? What marketing nonsense is this? Your Tor support will be the reason for the future illegal content. You undoubtedly know this. When people are being so shifty, it seems best not to trust them. You won't just come out and say that your idea will never work if you limit yourself to eBay type items, because we already have a perfectly good eBay. Your darknet users are your lifeline.
  - tylersmith 9y ago
    "No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me" I did not think you were serious, and I apologize for poaching now that I know you were serious. I thought you were joking. There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Neither OB1 nor OpenBazaar is anybody's "lifeline", most of us gave things up in order to work on what we believe in. We're all fortunate enough to be able to do such a thing and in no way are relying on it to survive.
    - sillysaurus3 9y ago
      There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire. And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this.
theWatcher37 9y ago
Someone took DARE a little too seriously huh?

tylersmith 9y ago

I don't know what you think I'm trying to deflect from but if you spell it out for me I'm more than happy to be candid. "A better analogy would be the founders of TPB. They went to jail for getting money from pirated content (ads). What do you think will happen to you when you try to extract any money at all from a network that people are using for darknet purposes?" TPB is a search engine for pirated content. OB1 search, duosear.ch, and mubiz.com (the main 3 OB search engines) do not show illicit content. If anybody happens across some please notify us immediately. "Except wait, you're insulated from these ill effects because your founders are former spooks. You have ties to protect you." Brian used to work for Booz Allen. That's it. I don't know which others you're referring to. I highly doubt Brian has government protection. "Especially the government?" The government has no involvement in OpenBazaar but even if they did, so does Tor. What do you think the Tor project is trying to hide?! "But if you're determined to build your business on the backs of these people, then I am determined to beat you." If you truly believe it's such a horrible project (the scariest you've ever heard of you said), then trying to out compete us seems extremely hypocritical.

sillysaurus3 9y ago
No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me, then trying to point out it's hypocritical to compete with you. :) When it's possible for a new technology to be created and fundamentally shape society, it will inevitably be created. There is a chance that you're right about OB. If you are, then the first entity to make this technology work will have a massive advantage, just like Bitcoin and Tor do. People look to the Bitcoin core dev team for ideological guidance. You will have a lot of influence. Now, the fact that you plan to make money by offering a search feature changes nothing about the underlying usage of the network. You're adding Tor support. You know what that means, and what the implications are. Again, you are not being straight with us -- notify us of illegal content immediately? What marketing nonsense is this? Your Tor support will be the reason for the future illegal content. You undoubtedly know this. When people are being so shifty, it seems best not to trust them. You won't just come out and say that your idea will never work if you limit yourself to eBay type items, because we already have a perfectly good eBay. Your darknet users are your lifeline.
- tylersmith 9y ago
  "No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me" I did not think you were serious, and I apologize for poaching now that I know you were serious. I thought you were joking. There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Neither OB1 nor OpenBazaar is anybody's "lifeline", most of us gave things up in order to work on what we believe in. We're all fortunate enough to be able to do such a thing and in no way are relying on it to survive.
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire. And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this.

theWatcher37 9y ago

Someone took DARE a little too seriously huh?