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I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Googl

I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Google search will easily allow people to make up their own minds--but suffice it to say that I don't find him professional enough to rely on a project that he leads. For something like a language, where you have to invest a significant amount of your own time and energy into using it, the people behind the language and the community around it are hugely important considerations.

hyperpape 9y ago
This kind of throwaway comment never works. Whatever is so bad about him, I don't see it on a google search. Not being snarky, I just literally don't see it. Every link for a few pages looks neutral. Guessing here: do you just really really really (really really really...) hate hibernate?
- curun1r 9y ago
  I actually mostly like Hibernate, except for the very few times where I hate it with the burning fire of a thousand suns. But that's to be expected when a tool tries to go too far towards the magic end of the spectrum. But why I don't think he's professional is all the discussion/listserv threads that I've read where he's abrasive and disrespectful to any perspective that's different from his.
mavelikara 9y ago
> I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Google search will easily allow people to make up their own minds--but suffice it to say that I don't find him professional enough to rely on a project that he leads. Hibernate and EJB3 were both lead by Gavin and are widely used. Hibernate, in particular, was massively successful too.
hota_mazi 9y ago
His actions speak against your words. Whatever you think of him, the bottom line is that he created a whole language + library + IDE plug-ins from scratch over a few years with a small team. Ceylon will probably not go anywhere now that Kotlin has taken over, but that doesn't take away anything from the talent and dedication that King has brought to his language.

hyperpape 9y ago

This kind of throwaway comment never works. Whatever is so bad about him, I don't see it on a google search. Not being snarky, I just literally don't see it. Every link for a few pages looks neutral. Guessing here: do you just really really really (really really really...) hate hibernate?

curun1r 9y ago
I actually mostly like Hibernate, except for the very few times where I hate it with the burning fire of a thousand suns. But that's to be expected when a tool tries to go too far towards the magic end of the spectrum. But why I don't think he's professional is all the discussion/listserv threads that I've read where he's abrasive and disrespectful to any perspective that's different from his.

mavelikara 9y ago

> I won't speak for others, but I discarded the idea of ever using Ceylon when I learned that Gavin King was involved with it. I won't go into why--a simple Google search will easily allow people to make up their own minds--but suffice it to say that I don't find him professional enough to rely on a project that he leads. Hibernate and EJB3 were both lead by Gavin and are widely used. Hibernate, in particular, was massively successful too.

hota_mazi 9y ago

His actions speak against your words. Whatever you think of him, the bottom line is that he created a whole language + library + IDE plug-ins from scratch over a few years with a small team. Ceylon will probably not go anywhere now that Kotlin has taken over, but that doesn't take away anything from the talent and dedication that King has brought to his language.