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Define 'quality.' The point of food is to enjoy it. Others seem to enjoy Ben and jerrys even though you don't. It isn't a 'shame,' it's just circumstance.

libeclipse 9y ago
Exactly. It's all about taste. I think that comment was a little condescending. Personally I love Ben & Jerry's, and it's a little offensive that you think I "don't recognize quality" and I "only like it because it was first to market". Allow that, it tastes God damned brilliant, and you can't take away from that.
mattmaroon 9y ago
I'd say there are subjective and objective indicators of quality, and that just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it a quality product, at least from a certain standpoint. Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor or obedient standpoint, but in terms of price, consistency, and marketing it's great. But as someone who knows something about ice cream, I'd say B&J is a relatively high quality product. They use mostly good ingredients and that used to be very rare of nationally distributed ice cream.
- chrisseaton 9y ago
  > Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor ... standpoint Says who? Who can tell everyone else what their preferred flavours should be?
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Nobody is doing that. I, for example, like plenty of things that I recognize as low quality.
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  - drdeca 9y ago
    I'm not entirely sure that aesthetic realism isn't true. Which, that's not to say that if someone were to have a different taste than the "objectively correct one" (assuming that one did exist) that they would be wrong to have it, but I consider it to plausible that someone's tastes (e.g. mine) could be in some proper sense, "incorrect". There are a number of topics where I feel like, if aesthetic realism is true, my personal tastes probably do not really match up with the true taste.
notdang 9y ago
I can give you an example: Hershey's chocolate. For some reason people in US and Mexico seem to enjoy it.
- junkculture 9y ago
  Hershey's is a category all by itself. The first time I tasted their products I couldn't believe that they sold at all, leave alone in volumes. But if you've never tasted Lindt, you'd never know what you're missing.
  - bitexploder 9y ago
    Look if people still eat fermented shark some of us can enjoy an occasional Hershey bar. Also, while good, Lindt typically contains soy products. There are a lot of very good milk and dark chocolates out there these days. Alter Eco 85% is my stand by. I know Hershey's doesn't have a local of cocoa content, but food tastes are as much culture as quality for some things.
    - junkculture 9y ago
      Fermented shark? TIL. I don't personally know what's wrong with soy, but an excess of anything is bad in the long run.
      - bitexploder 9y ago
        Phytoestrogens. There are enough issues around them that I just avoid soy. I know the small amount in soy leichitin is not a really a big deal, but I try to be consistent and just keep it eliminated.
        chc 9y ago
        Hershey's chocolate contains milk, which comes from a pregnant cow, which produces actual estrogen in massive quantities. It also contains isoflavones (aka phytoestrogens) from the cacao. If you're eating dairy and chocolate while avoiding soy, you're probably paying too much attention to FUD.

libeclipse 9y ago

Exactly. It's all about taste. I think that comment was a little condescending. Personally I love Ben & Jerry's, and it's a little offensive that you think I "don't recognize quality" and I "only like it because it was first to market". Allow that, it tastes God damned brilliant, and you can't take away from that.

mattmaroon 9y ago

I'd say there are subjective and objective indicators of quality, and that just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it a quality product, at least from a certain standpoint. Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor or obedient standpoint, but in terms of price, consistency, and marketing it's great. But as someone who knows something about ice cream, I'd say B&J is a relatively high quality product. They use mostly good ingredients and that used to be very rare of nationally distributed ice cream.

chrisseaton 9y ago
> Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor ... standpoint Says who? Who can tell everyone else what their preferred flavours should be?
- icebraining 9y ago
  Nobody is doing that. I, for example, like plenty of things that I recognize as low quality.
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- drdeca 9y ago
  I'm not entirely sure that aesthetic realism isn't true. Which, that's not to say that if someone were to have a different taste than the "objectively correct one" (assuming that one did exist) that they would be wrong to have it, but I consider it to plausible that someone's tastes (e.g. mine) could be in some proper sense, "incorrect". There are a number of topics where I feel like, if aesthetic realism is true, my personal tastes probably do not really match up with the true taste.

notdang 9y ago

I can give you an example: Hershey's chocolate. For some reason people in US and Mexico seem to enjoy it.

junkculture 9y ago
Hershey's is a category all by itself. The first time I tasted their products I couldn't believe that they sold at all, leave alone in volumes. But if you've never tasted Lindt, you'd never know what you're missing.
- bitexploder 9y ago
  Look if people still eat fermented shark some of us can enjoy an occasional Hershey bar. Also, while good, Lindt typically contains soy products. There are a lot of very good milk and dark chocolates out there these days. Alter Eco 85% is my stand by. I know Hershey's doesn't have a local of cocoa content, but food tastes are as much culture as quality for some things.
  - junkculture 9y ago
    Fermented shark? TIL. I don't personally know what's wrong with soy, but an excess of anything is bad in the long run.
    - bitexploder 9y ago
      Phytoestrogens. There are enough issues around them that I just avoid soy. I know the small amount in soy leichitin is not a really a big deal, but I try to be consistent and just keep it eliminated.
      - chc 9y ago
        Hershey's chocolate contains milk, which comes from a pregnant cow, which produces actual estrogen in massive quantities. It also contains isoflavones (aka phytoestrogens) from the cacao. If you're eating dairy and chocolate while avoiding soy, you're probably paying too much attention to FUD.