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True. The wallpaper paste "ice creams" just get skin on the outside... It's surprising that people doesn't recognize quality. Eg Ben & Jerry's seems to be popu

by kpil 9y ago

True. The wallpaper paste "ice creams" just get skin on the outside... It's surprising that people doesn't recognize quality. Eg Ben & Jerry's seems to be popular but I never found one that wasn't made of too much low quality candy in cheap ice cream.

derekp7 9y ago
The reason Ben and Jerry's became popular is because they were one of the first mass market ice creams that came in a bunch of unique flavors and add-ins.
- mobilefriendly 9y ago
  They were popular before they were mass market.
sosborn 9y ago
Define 'quality.' The point of food is to enjoy it. Others seem to enjoy Ben and jerrys even though you don't. It isn't a 'shame,' it's just circumstance.
- libeclipse 9y ago
  Exactly. It's all about taste. I think that comment was a little condescending. Personally I love Ben & Jerry's, and it's a little offensive that you think I "don't recognize quality" and I "only like it because it was first to market". Allow that, it tastes God damned brilliant, and you can't take away from that.
- mattmaroon 9y ago
  I'd say there are subjective and objective indicators of quality, and that just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it a quality product, at least from a certain standpoint. Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor or obedient standpoint, but in terms of price, consistency, and marketing it's great. But as someone who knows something about ice cream, I'd say B&J is a relatively high quality product. They use mostly good ingredients and that used to be very rare of nationally distributed ice cream.
  - chrisseaton 9y ago
    > Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor ... standpoint Says who? Who can tell everyone else what their preferred flavours should be?
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Nobody is doing that. I, for example, like plenty of things that I recognize as low quality.
      - deleted 9y ago
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    - drdeca 9y ago
      I'm not entirely sure that aesthetic realism isn't true. Which, that's not to say that if someone were to have a different taste than the "objectively correct one" (assuming that one did exist) that they would be wrong to have it, but I consider it to plausible that someone's tastes (e.g. mine) could be in some proper sense, "incorrect". There are a number of topics where I feel like, if aesthetic realism is true, my personal tastes probably do not really match up with the true taste.
- notdang 9y ago
  I can give you an example: Hershey's chocolate. For some reason people in US and Mexico seem to enjoy it.
  - junkculture 9y ago
    Hershey's is a category all by itself. The first time I tasted their products I couldn't believe that they sold at all, leave alone in volumes. But if you've never tasted Lindt, you'd never know what you're missing.
    - bitexploder 9y ago
      Look if people still eat fermented shark some of us can enjoy an occasional Hershey bar. Also, while good, Lindt typically contains soy products. There are a lot of very good milk and dark chocolates out there these days. Alter Eco 85% is my stand by. I know Hershey's doesn't have a local of cocoa content, but food tastes are as much culture as quality for some things.
      - junkculture 9y ago
        Fermented shark? TIL. I don't personally know what's wrong with soy, but an excess of anything is bad in the long run.
        bitexploder 9y ago
        Phytoestrogens. There are enough issues around them that I just avoid soy. I know the small amount in soy leichitin is not a really a big deal, but I try to be consistent and just keep it eliminated.
        chc 9y ago
        Hershey's chocolate contains milk, which comes from a pregnant cow, which produces actual estrogen in massive quantities. It also contains isoflavones (aka phytoestrogens) from the cacao. If you're eating dairy and chocolate while avoiding soy, you're probably paying too much attention to FUD.
ghaff 9y ago
I'm not convinced any of the national premium brands are all that great. I tend to agree on Ben and Jerry's. To my taste, most of their flavors are way too gimmicky. I have a local ice cream place near where I live. I rarely buy ice cream from the supermarket any longer.
- drewmol 9y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni%27s_Splendid_Ice_Creams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni%27s_Splendid_Ice_Creams Check out Jeni's for a premium brand that has some national distribution, as well as direct to consumer shipping from their website. It's $$$, but I used to be an ice cream connoisseur of sorts, and I think it lives up to the hype.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    Not sure I've ever noticed them but will keep my eyes open. Thanks.
  - mattmaroon 9y ago
    It's local to me. Great ice cream but she doesn't use eggs and to my taste a good ice cream with eggs just has a richness Jeni's lacks. Her Uganda vanilla ice cream loses hands down to just a classic vanilla ice cream, made lovingly, with egg yolks, even though her beans cost 10x as much.
    - drewmol 9y ago
      Good point, but I thought traditionally 'Ice Cream' was w/o eggs, with eggs was 'Frozen Custard'. I prefer vanilla w/o eggs, but chocolatey flavors I prefer custard.
      - ghaff 9y ago
        I'm not sure there's any consistent nomenclature. With eggs vs. without is sometimes called French Vanilla vs. just Vanilla. But you'll find plenty of Vanilla recipes with yolks just called Vanilla. And for other flavors, you'll find tons of recipes with yolks still called ice cream. You're technically correct but I'm not sure how widely used "frozen custard" is.

by kpil 9y ago

derekp7 9y ago

The reason Ben and Jerry's became popular is because they were one of the first mass market ice creams that came in a bunch of unique flavors and add-ins.

mobilefriendly 9y ago
They were popular before they were mass market.

sosborn 9y ago

Define 'quality.' The point of food is to enjoy it. Others seem to enjoy Ben and jerrys even though you don't. It isn't a 'shame,' it's just circumstance.

libeclipse 9y ago
Exactly. It's all about taste. I think that comment was a little condescending. Personally I love Ben & Jerry's, and it's a little offensive that you think I "don't recognize quality" and I "only like it because it was first to market". Allow that, it tastes God damned brilliant, and you can't take away from that.
mattmaroon 9y ago
I'd say there are subjective and objective indicators of quality, and that just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it a quality product, at least from a certain standpoint. Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor or obedient standpoint, but in terms of price, consistency, and marketing it's great. But as someone who knows something about ice cream, I'd say B&J is a relatively high quality product. They use mostly good ingredients and that used to be very rare of nationally distributed ice cream.
- chrisseaton 9y ago
  > Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor ... standpoint Says who? Who can tell everyone else what their preferred flavours should be?
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Nobody is doing that. I, for example, like plenty of things that I recognize as low quality.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
  - drdeca 9y ago
    I'm not entirely sure that aesthetic realism isn't true. Which, that's not to say that if someone were to have a different taste than the "objectively correct one" (assuming that one did exist) that they would be wrong to have it, but I consider it to plausible that someone's tastes (e.g. mine) could be in some proper sense, "incorrect". There are a number of topics where I feel like, if aesthetic realism is true, my personal tastes probably do not really match up with the true taste.
notdang 9y ago
I can give you an example: Hershey's chocolate. For some reason people in US and Mexico seem to enjoy it.
- junkculture 9y ago
  Hershey's is a category all by itself. The first time I tasted their products I couldn't believe that they sold at all, leave alone in volumes. But if you've never tasted Lindt, you'd never know what you're missing.
  - bitexploder 9y ago
    Look if people still eat fermented shark some of us can enjoy an occasional Hershey bar. Also, while good, Lindt typically contains soy products. There are a lot of very good milk and dark chocolates out there these days. Alter Eco 85% is my stand by. I know Hershey's doesn't have a local of cocoa content, but food tastes are as much culture as quality for some things.
    - junkculture 9y ago
      Fermented shark? TIL. I don't personally know what's wrong with soy, but an excess of anything is bad in the long run.
      - bitexploder 9y ago
        Phytoestrogens. There are enough issues around them that I just avoid soy. I know the small amount in soy leichitin is not a really a big deal, but I try to be consistent and just keep it eliminated.
        chc 9y ago
        Hershey's chocolate contains milk, which comes from a pregnant cow, which produces actual estrogen in massive quantities. It also contains isoflavones (aka phytoestrogens) from the cacao. If you're eating dairy and chocolate while avoiding soy, you're probably paying too much attention to FUD.

ghaff 9y ago

I'm not convinced any of the national premium brands are all that great. I tend to agree on Ben and Jerry's. To my taste, most of their flavors are way too gimmicky. I have a local ice cream place near where I live. I rarely buy ice cream from the supermarket any longer.

drewmol 9y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni%27s_Splendid_Ice_Creams https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni%27s_Splendid_Ice_Creams Check out Jeni's for a premium brand that has some national distribution, as well as direct to consumer shipping from their website. It's $$$, but I used to be an ice cream connoisseur of sorts, and I think it lives up to the hype.
- ghaff 9y ago
  Not sure I've ever noticed them but will keep my eyes open. Thanks.
- mattmaroon 9y ago
  It's local to me. Great ice cream but she doesn't use eggs and to my taste a good ice cream with eggs just has a richness Jeni's lacks. Her Uganda vanilla ice cream loses hands down to just a classic vanilla ice cream, made lovingly, with egg yolks, even though her beans cost 10x as much.
  - drewmol 9y ago
    Good point, but I thought traditionally 'Ice Cream' was w/o eggs, with eggs was 'Frozen Custard'. I prefer vanilla w/o eggs, but chocolatey flavors I prefer custard.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      I'm not sure there's any consistent nomenclature. With eggs vs. without is sometimes called French Vanilla vs. just Vanilla. But you'll find plenty of Vanilla recipes with yolks just called Vanilla. And for other flavors, you'll find tons of recipes with yolks still called ice cream. You're technically correct but I'm not sure how widely used "frozen custard" is.