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> I suspect the root cause is simply that building a successful operating system is hard. Well, it is hard, but this is not the main source of issues. The obst

by zaro 9y ago

> I suspect the root cause is simply that building a successful operating system is hard. Well, it is hard, but this is not the main source of issues. The obstacle to having nice things on the desktop is this constant competition and wheel reinvention, the lack of cooperation. The article shows out some very good points, but just think of this simple fact. It's 2017, and the ONLY filesystem that will seamlessly work with macOS, Windows and Linux at the same time is FAT, a files system which is almost 40 years old. And it is not because it is so hard to make such a filesystem. Not at all. Now this is at the core of reasons why we can't have nice things :)

alrs 9y ago
Not only FAT. https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf
- digi_owl 9y ago
  I really wish that UDF would get official blessing for use beyond optical media. Yes you can kinda hack it into usage, but programs like gparted will not allow me to make a UDF partition last i checked (Windows sorta can, under the live drive moniker, iirc).
arthurfm 9y ago
> It's 2017, and the ONLY filesystem that will seamlessly work with macOS, Windows and Linux at the same time is FAT, a filesystem which is almost 40 years old. Universal Disk Format? [1] ExFAT can also be used on all currently supported versions of Windows & macOS and added to Linux very easily via a package manager. You could argue there isn't any need for a cross-platform filesystem these days. It's often easier to simply transfer files over Ethernet, Wi-Fi or even the Internet. [1] https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf
- eltoozero 9y ago
  Not sure why the downvotes, ExFAT mostly doesn't suck these days for random go-between work. To your last comment, I will reply with the "old" adage to "never underestimate the raw bandwidth of a stationwagon loaded with tapes/drives barreling down the highway."[0] [0]: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum

by zaro 9y ago

alrs 9y ago

Not only FAT. https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf

digi_owl 9y ago
I really wish that UDF would get official blessing for use beyond optical media. Yes you can kinda hack it into usage, but programs like gparted will not allow me to make a UDF partition last i checked (Windows sorta can, under the live drive moniker, iirc).

arthurfm 9y ago

> It's 2017, and the ONLY filesystem that will seamlessly work with macOS, Windows and Linux at the same time is FAT, a filesystem which is almost 40 years old. Universal Disk Format? [1] ExFAT can also be used on all currently supported versions of Windows & macOS and added to Linux very easily via a package manager. You could argue there isn't any need for a cross-platform filesystem these days. It's often easier to simply transfer files over Ethernet, Wi-Fi or even the Internet. [1] https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf

eltoozero 9y ago
Not sure why the downvotes, ExFAT mostly doesn't suck these days for random go-between work. To your last comment, I will reply with the "old" adage to "never underestimate the raw bandwidth of a stationwagon loaded with tapes/drives barreling down the highway."[0] [0]: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum