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if you're talking about https://web.archive.org/web/20170820092504im_/https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/static/media/screenshots/k1vOauV.png https://web.ar

by contras1970 9y ago

if you're talking about https://web.archive.org/web/20170820092504im_/https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/static/media/screenshots/k1vOauV.png https://web.archive.org/web/20170820092504im_/https://common..., then it literally did not say that. let me quote literally: Given that you lisp, you're probably familiar with Emacs or the symbolics lisp machine. This environment shares some of its modality with these systems and is modeled (rather imperfectly), in their image. that's too optimistic for sure, but how is it a turn-off without you putting different words into author's mouth?

pavlov 9y ago
You conveniently left out the preceding sentence which is of the format "X, Y and Z can stop reading now" -- and whoever is left is assumed to already know Emacs or Symbolics.
- contras1970 9y ago
  no, i very narrowly responded to the content of your comment, because no matter how much of dick the guy may be (i have no idea but the screenshot certainly gave away a very imature impression), you, instead of attacking that preceding sentence, instead twisted the next one unfavorably. your claim literally says "we expect you to already know Emacs and Symbolics, if you used something else, piss off" is bullshit, figuratively speaking. i just wanted to point out that your high horse of niceness is not so high or nice if you need to lean on slandering people. that's all. i don't know the guy or the software.
KirinDave 9y ago
Gabriel is a buffoon of the highest order, and tries to sneak his bad attitude into nearly everything he ever contributes to. Please don't defend him, especially via these kind of tactical omissions.
bitwize 9y ago
Symbolics is long dead, and Emacs lost the edtor wars. A modern developer coming to Lisp would much rather use Sublime, Visual Studio Code, or even vim with appropriate plugins. This set of assumptions is increasingly invalid.
- pmoriarty 9y ago
  "Emacs lost the edtor wars." The editor wars are not over yet. Emacs is still winning over new users, as is vim, and both are growing and improving all the time. "A modern developer coming to Lisp would much rather use Sublime, Visual Studio Code, or even vim with appropriate plugins." They might until they see the power of emacs tools like slime and paredit.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  Who are you to speak for everyone? Did vim users and emacs users meet on ye old battlefield and now the emacs users have to slink off in defeat and delete their emacs configs because more people use vim? In reality there is plenty of support for both to continue.

pavlov 9y ago

You conveniently left out the preceding sentence which is of the format "X, Y and Z can stop reading now" -- and whoever is left is assumed to already know Emacs or Symbolics.

contras1970 9y ago
no, i very narrowly responded to the content of your comment, because no matter how much of dick the guy may be (i have no idea but the screenshot certainly gave away a very imature impression), you, instead of attacking that preceding sentence, instead twisted the next one unfavorably. your claim literally says "we expect you to already know Emacs and Symbolics, if you used something else, piss off" is bullshit, figuratively speaking. i just wanted to point out that your high horse of niceness is not so high or nice if you need to lean on slandering people. that's all. i don't know the guy or the software.

KirinDave 9y ago

Gabriel is a buffoon of the highest order, and tries to sneak his bad attitude into nearly everything he ever contributes to. Please don't defend him, especially via these kind of tactical omissions.

bitwize 9y ago

Symbolics is long dead, and Emacs lost the edtor wars. A modern developer coming to Lisp would much rather use Sublime, Visual Studio Code, or even vim with appropriate plugins. This set of assumptions is increasingly invalid.

pmoriarty 9y ago
"Emacs lost the edtor wars." The editor wars are not over yet. Emacs is still winning over new users, as is vim, and both are growing and improving all the time. "A modern developer coming to Lisp would much rather use Sublime, Visual Studio Code, or even vim with appropriate plugins." They might until they see the power of emacs tools like slime and paredit.
michaelmrose 9y ago
Who are you to speak for everyone? Did vim users and emacs users meet on ye old battlefield and now the emacs users have to slink off in defeat and delete their emacs configs because more people use vim? In reality there is plenty of support for both to continue.