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"It's an inevitable future"? I'm assuming you mean it's something that will happen within the next 50 years? I just don't get how this isn't a super-hard soci

by new299 9y ago

"It's an inevitable future"? I'm assuming you mean it's something that will happen within the next 50 years? I just don't get how this isn't a super-hard social/political issue that we haven't even begun to address as a society. Maybe spending significant resources on this now, is not optimal.

fastball 9y ago
How are driverless cars a huge social issue?
- Denvercoder9 9y ago
  They'll put millions of people out of their jobs.
- new299 9y ago
  * Who will be liable when a self-driving car hits someone. * Will people, on mass, accept being driven around by a machines, on public roads. * How will they deal with "trolley problem" type ethical scenarios? How will these decisions be made. * How will self-driving cars cope with rural roads (where they are arguably MORE useful than in Urban settings better served by public transport)? * How will they cope with signs/marking intentionally designed to fool machine vision systems. Who will be liable for accidents caused in these cases? There are other issues too. However, overall, I think with some infrastructure investment we could have had self-driving cars since the late 90s early 2000s and there have been many prototypes. It's the ethical/social issues that are the bigger barrier in my mind.
  - travisjungroth 9y ago
    > How will they cope with signs/marking intentionally designed to fool machine vision systems. They won't, but neither can humans. Signs aren't secure. Anyone with a wrench can take down a stop sign or put up a fake speed limit.
    - uniformlyrandom 9y ago
      http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/slight-street-sign-modifications-can-fool-machine-learning-algorithms http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sens...
    - new299 9y ago
      Even if a sign is modified, a human will sanity check/ignore it. Currently many machine vision systems would be fooled. Basically in this scenario I think it's likely humans would fail safe.

by new299 9y ago

fastball 9y ago

How are driverless cars a huge social issue?

Denvercoder9 9y ago
They'll put millions of people out of their jobs.
new299 9y ago
* Who will be liable when a self-driving car hits someone. * Will people, on mass, accept being driven around by a machines, on public roads. * How will they deal with "trolley problem" type ethical scenarios? How will these decisions be made. * How will self-driving cars cope with rural roads (where they are arguably MORE useful than in Urban settings better served by public transport)? * How will they cope with signs/marking intentionally designed to fool machine vision systems. Who will be liable for accidents caused in these cases? There are other issues too. However, overall, I think with some infrastructure investment we could have had self-driving cars since the late 90s early 2000s and there have been many prototypes. It's the ethical/social issues that are the bigger barrier in my mind.
- travisjungroth 9y ago
  > How will they cope with signs/marking intentionally designed to fool machine vision systems. They won't, but neither can humans. Signs aren't secure. Anyone with a wrench can take down a stop sign or put up a fake speed limit.
  - uniformlyrandom 9y ago
    http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/slight-street-sign-modifications-can-fool-machine-learning-algorithms http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sens...
  - new299 9y ago
    Even if a sign is modified, a human will sanity check/ignore it. Currently many machine vision systems would be fooled. Basically in this scenario I think it's likely humans would fail safe.