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Last time I checked (a couple of minutes ago), NONE of those "serverless" frameworks were truly serverless. Running your stuff or even your "functions" in the "

Last time I checked (a couple of minutes ago), NONE of those "serverless" frameworks were truly serverless. Running your stuff or even your "functions" in the "cloud" is still running it on a server. Just because you do not know which specific server is running it at a given time does not make it "serverless". Why is it so hard to use the correct term?

ec109685 9y ago
Why doesn't not caring what server a function is running on and allowing a piece of code to jump from one host to another not constitute serverless, a term that has come to mean exactly that?
- droelf_ 9y ago
  Because it's still using a server. large scale distributed resource abstracting server network (short lsd-rasn) or something along these lines would be more accurate.
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  - polotics 9y ago
    Wow. You do not work in marketing!
  - ec109685 9y ago
    Also, cloud computing does not actually run inside clouds.
cwilkes 9y ago
Do you also rail against "wireless" phones as there's wires involved somewhere? It is called serverless as in the ideal state you let the scaling of the server be handled by someone else. Just like with cell phones you only care about the last bit before it gets to you.
- Can_Not 9y ago
  No, he calls his phone "towerless", "networkless", and "carrierless" because he doesn't personally own or manage his own towers, networks, or carriers.
alexellisuk 9y ago
We spoke about this at the CNCF serverless WG session a couple of days ago. I think there was consensus that the term Serverless applies to an architectural pattern and is not meant to be taken literally (as with so many other design patterns - bridge, factory, facade etc). Serverless also refers to the experience the developer gets of "packaging and deploying" the application without worrying about scale.
errm 9y ago
Ultimately "serverless" is always going to involve a computer of some sort somewhere, most likely a server ... Functions as a Service is a much better description of the pattern... As an Ops person we often get a lot of requests for I need this (small) thing to happen when x... in the past we might have managed this with severs (probably called misc-{1..n}) running simple scripts as cron jobs... I see "serverless" as a much better way to manage this sort of stuff ... and FaaS is especially good for this since anything that can go inside a container can be a function, so all the little bits of bash and perl and ruby and whatever script stuff just get chucked at this thing and just work...
Futurebot 9y ago
"Just-in-time server" would have been a much better name
carimura 9y ago
"correct" is never what wins. cloud computing?

ec109685 9y ago

Why doesn't not caring what server a function is running on and allowing a piece of code to jump from one host to another not constitute serverless, a term that has come to mean exactly that?

droelf_ 9y ago
Because it's still using a server. large scale distributed resource abstracting server network (short lsd-rasn) or something along these lines would be more accurate.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- polotics 9y ago
  Wow. You do not work in marketing!
- ec109685 9y ago
  Also, cloud computing does not actually run inside clouds.

cwilkes 9y ago

Do you also rail against "wireless" phones as there's wires involved somewhere? It is called serverless as in the ideal state you let the scaling of the server be handled by someone else. Just like with cell phones you only care about the last bit before it gets to you.

Can_Not 9y ago
No, he calls his phone "towerless", "networkless", and "carrierless" because he doesn't personally own or manage his own towers, networks, or carriers.

alexellisuk 9y ago

We spoke about this at the CNCF serverless WG session a couple of days ago. I think there was consensus that the term Serverless applies to an architectural pattern and is not meant to be taken literally (as with so many other design patterns - bridge, factory, facade etc). Serverless also refers to the experience the developer gets of "packaging and deploying" the application without worrying about scale.

errm 9y ago

Ultimately "serverless" is always going to involve a computer of some sort somewhere, most likely a server ... Functions as a Service is a much better description of the pattern... As an Ops person we often get a lot of requests for I need this (small) thing to happen when x... in the past we might have managed this with severs (probably called misc-{1..n}) running simple scripts as cron jobs... I see "serverless" as a much better way to manage this sort of stuff ... and FaaS is especially good for this since anything that can go inside a container can be a function, so all the little bits of bash and perl and ruby and whatever script stuff just get chucked at this thing and just work...

Futurebot 9y ago

"Just-in-time server" would have been a much better name

carimura 9y ago

"correct" is never what wins. cloud computing?