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> Is there some crucial factor in Venezuela's woes which clearly arises from socialism? Ah, the never-ending cycle of socialist revolution, followed by establi

> Is there some crucial factor in Venezuela's woes which clearly arises from socialism? Ah, the never-ending cycle of socialist revolution, followed by establishing socialism, and finally followed by a string of desperate attempts to pin the effects of socialism because no true socialists would ever do any wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

boomboomsubban 9y ago
Or the realization that capitalist Venezuela had a worse version of this same crisis. Why are the socialist policies to blame this time?
- jose_zap 9y ago
  Worse in what way?
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    Poverty rate, wealth inequality, corruption, violent unrest. Admittedly, 2015 is the last year data seems available for, and pre-Chavez years get very little coverage online. Either way, you can't just point at the problems and say socialism is to blame.
    - jose_zap 9y ago
      Clearly, you haven't lived in Venezuela. The current crisis cannot be compared to anything in the last 60 years. I was born in the middle of a crisis, but never lacked anything important. Nowadays I can say with certainty that my family is poorer than when I was a kid. Chavez left a country with a deeply broken economy before he died.
- geezerjay 9y ago
  > Or the realization that capitalist Venezuela had a worse version of this same crisis. Don't go lecture me about how bad "capitalist Venezuela" was. I have family members living in Venezuela, and not only did they saw their property and livelihood seized by Maduro's thugs, one family member also died due to restrictions imposed on access to basic medical care by your pet socialist utopia.
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    I'm sorry for your loss. Maybe worse is overstepping, things under the capitalist government were often fairly rotten as well. Blaming it all on socialism needs more proof than I've seen provided
AlexCoventry 9y ago
> no true socialists would ever do any wrong. That's irrelevant to my question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

boomboomsubban 9y ago

Or the realization that capitalist Venezuela had a worse version of this same crisis. Why are the socialist policies to blame this time?

jose_zap 9y ago
Worse in what way?
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  Poverty rate, wealth inequality, corruption, violent unrest. Admittedly, 2015 is the last year data seems available for, and pre-Chavez years get very little coverage online. Either way, you can't just point at the problems and say socialism is to blame.
  - jose_zap 9y ago
    Clearly, you haven't lived in Venezuela. The current crisis cannot be compared to anything in the last 60 years. I was born in the middle of a crisis, but never lacked anything important. Nowadays I can say with certainty that my family is poorer than when I was a kid. Chavez left a country with a deeply broken economy before he died.
geezerjay 9y ago
> Or the realization that capitalist Venezuela had a worse version of this same crisis. Don't go lecture me about how bad "capitalist Venezuela" was. I have family members living in Venezuela, and not only did they saw their property and livelihood seized by Maduro's thugs, one family member also died due to restrictions imposed on access to basic medical care by your pet socialist utopia.
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  I'm sorry for your loss. Maybe worse is overstepping, things under the capitalist government were often fairly rotten as well. Blaming it all on socialism needs more proof than I've seen provided

AlexCoventry 9y ago

> no true socialists would ever do any wrong. That's irrelevant to my question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man