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To use the wikipedia definitionof net neutrality: Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet must t

by Toboe 9y ago

To use the wikipedia definitionof net neutrality: Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication. What does that have to do with googles decisions on community grooming? Do you disagree with the notion that googles appstore forms a (sort of) community with moderation (regardless of what one thinks about this exact moderation-action) where as the data an ISP delivers isn't a community? Because if we accept that notion, then your comment seems to be a red herring.

0xbear 9y ago
Let's say Google bowed to internal/external pressures and started "grooming" its communities by denying service to conservative news outlets and individuals its AI and human curators decided are not in alignment with Google's prevalent ideology. To me such a thing is just a few steps away from where we are at the moment. In fact in some cases it's already happening: demotion in search ranking, demonetization of YouTube videos, cooked autocomplete results, just to name a few examples. Twitter also engages in "grooming" all the time. Even unquestionably legitimate opinions (like those of e.g. Scott Adams) are shadowbanned and de-trended, where more radical ones from the left (calls for assasination of the president or calls for violence) are present in the trends. If your retort is that these platforms are companies, then you have to apply the same reasoning to Comcast, Verizon, and many others that control the last mile. If CEOs of those companies also decide to engage in "community grooming", life could get very interesting.
- Toboe 9y ago
  >If your retort is that these platforms are companies, then you have to apply the same reasoning to Comcast, Verizon, and many others that control the last mile. If CEOs of those companies also decide to engage in "community grooming", life could get very interesting. Do you agree or disagree with the notion that the google play store or twitter have communities while ISP do not (and, according to net neutrality proponents: should not)? (At this point of the discussion: regardless of what you think of the specific community grooming actions taken) Because if one side has communities and the other does not, then your comment is comparing apples to oranges. (in the context of net neutrality)

by Toboe 9y ago

0xbear 9y ago

Let's say Google bowed to internal/external pressures and started "grooming" its communities by denying service to conservative news outlets and individuals its AI and human curators decided are not in alignment with Google's prevalent ideology. To me such a thing is just a few steps away from where we are at the moment. In fact in some cases it's already happening: demotion in search ranking, demonetization of YouTube videos, cooked autocomplete results, just to name a few examples. Twitter also engages in "grooming" all the time. Even unquestionably legitimate opinions (like those of e.g. Scott Adams) are shadowbanned and de-trended, where more radical ones from the left (calls for assasination of the president or calls for violence) are present in the trends. If your retort is that these platforms are companies, then you have to apply the same reasoning to Comcast, Verizon, and many others that control the last mile. If CEOs of those companies also decide to engage in "community grooming", life could get very interesting.

Toboe 9y ago
>If your retort is that these platforms are companies, then you have to apply the same reasoning to Comcast, Verizon, and many others that control the last mile. If CEOs of those companies also decide to engage in "community grooming", life could get very interesting. Do you agree or disagree with the notion that the google play store or twitter have communities while ISP do not (and, according to net neutrality proponents: should not)? (At this point of the discussion: regardless of what you think of the specific community grooming actions taken) Because if one side has communities and the other does not, then your comment is comparing apples to oranges. (in the context of net neutrality)