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I'm not sure what you're referencing, but Chomsky has typically not been aligned with state socialism. I think typically it's viewed as another structure which

by Crye 9y ago

I'm not sure what you're referencing, but Chomsky has typically not been aligned with state socialism. I think typically it's viewed as another structure which uses it's position to maintain power.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
https://youtu.be/HHTe2Pn7ACg https://youtu.be/HHTe2Pn7ACg He praises the Venezuela's state socialist policies, but manages to blame the problems on private capital.
- thomasahle 9y ago
  That video has frustratingly little information. Except for the hosts rage and short quotes from a supposed conversation with Chomsky; the only actual study mentioned is discarded immediately on basis of its author having advised some movie on the topic that he's an expert on.
  - em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
    Just Google Chomsky Chavez or Venezuela. I've heard him give plenty of interviews where he talks about how great Chavez is. Sorry I had just provided the top search result.
    - gt_ 9y ago
      I have heard these too and that is a misrepresentation of his statements. He does not say Chavez is great. He makes specific and nuanced arguments about value exemplified in some things Chavez did. This probably didn't need saying, but what an obnoxious generalization to make.
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- RobertoG 9y ago
  So, you want to point to Chomsky opinions about Venezuela and this is the best link you can find?
  - em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
    No that was the first video on Google search, which I quickly looked over, and had the necessary quotes from Chomsky to validate my point.
    - RobertoG 9y ago
      Chomsky opinion about Venezuela is not so difficult to understand if we make a honest effort. Unfortunately a honest effort, as reflected by your link, is not very common. Chomsky supported initially Chavez, (who, by the way, and not as your link insinuate, was democratically elected), because his government initially improved the conditions of the most humble people in the country. People that lived in misery in one of the most resources rich countries in the world, elected what was then, a new hope. As frequently happen, the new elite was incompetent, and get corrupted fast. Consequently, Chomsky criticized them. Here there is video of Chomsky criticizing the Venezuela government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHgtLp21Iw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHgtLp21Iw And, for completion sake, here there is a video of the government of Venezuela criticizing Chomsky's criticism of them (in Spanish only, sorry): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS1nx3EccI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS1nx3EccI
      - galacticpony2 9y ago
        > As frequently happen, the new elite was incompetent, and get corrupted fast. Consequently, Chomsky criticized them. That doesn't just happen "frequently", it has happened in 100% of socialist countries after the "revolution". The "critics" then get silenced or killed, unless they happen to (ironically) be sitting in a comfortable chair in an imperialist capitalist country such as the USA, like Chomsky. You'd think that with this track record, a smart guy like Chomsky would begin to see that there must be something fundamentally wrong with socialist political theory. Yet, he keeps retreating into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy whenever the next socialist experiment fails.

by Crye 9y ago

I'm not sure what you're referencing, but Chomsky has typically not been aligned with state socialism. I think typically it's viewed as another structure which uses it's position to maintain power.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago

https://youtu.be/HHTe2Pn7ACg https://youtu.be/HHTe2Pn7ACg He praises the Venezuela's state socialist policies, but manages to blame the problems on private capital.

thomasahle 9y ago
That video has frustratingly little information. Except for the hosts rage and short quotes from a supposed conversation with Chomsky; the only actual study mentioned is discarded immediately on basis of its author having advised some movie on the topic that he's an expert on.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Just Google Chomsky Chavez or Venezuela. I've heard him give plenty of interviews where he talks about how great Chavez is. Sorry I had just provided the top search result.
  - gt_ 9y ago
    I have heard these too and that is a misrepresentation of his statements. He does not say Chavez is great. He makes specific and nuanced arguments about value exemplified in some things Chavez did. This probably didn't need saying, but what an obnoxious generalization to make.
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RobertoG 9y ago
So, you want to point to Chomsky opinions about Venezuela and this is the best link you can find?
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  No that was the first video on Google search, which I quickly looked over, and had the necessary quotes from Chomsky to validate my point.
  - RobertoG 9y ago
    Chomsky opinion about Venezuela is not so difficult to understand if we make a honest effort. Unfortunately a honest effort, as reflected by your link, is not very common. Chomsky supported initially Chavez, (who, by the way, and not as your link insinuate, was democratically elected), because his government initially improved the conditions of the most humble people in the country. People that lived in misery in one of the most resources rich countries in the world, elected what was then, a new hope. As frequently happen, the new elite was incompetent, and get corrupted fast. Consequently, Chomsky criticized them. Here there is video of Chomsky criticizing the Venezuela government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHgtLp21Iw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHgtLp21Iw And, for completion sake, here there is a video of the government of Venezuela criticizing Chomsky's criticism of them (in Spanish only, sorry): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS1nx3EccI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS1nx3EccI
    - galacticpony2 9y ago
      > As frequently happen, the new elite was incompetent, and get corrupted fast. Consequently, Chomsky criticized them. That doesn't just happen "frequently", it has happened in 100% of socialist countries after the "revolution". The "critics" then get silenced or killed, unless they happen to (ironically) be sitting in a comfortable chair in an imperialist capitalist country such as the USA, like Chomsky. You'd think that with this track record, a smart guy like Chomsky would begin to see that there must be something fundamentally wrong with socialist political theory. Yet, he keeps retreating into the "No True Scotsman" fallacy whenever the next socialist experiment fails.