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Any numbers I tried to find on UK and NHS spending show them going up steadily since the 90s, and ignoring some 5-year fluctuations spending seems to never have

by avar 9y ago

Any numbers I tried to find on UK and NHS spending show them going up steadily since the 90s, and ignoring some 5-year fluctuations spending seems to never have been higher: http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/uploads/images/election_graphs/nhs_fig1.jpg http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/uploads/images/election_graph... When did the defunding you're talking about happen?

andy_ppp 9y ago
The population is aging and amount of money per person is going down. Inflation is higher for the NHS than for the general economy. https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ £30bn shortfall by 2020 and the NHS is being asked to save £22bn which seems impossible. You can add vanity projects that aren’t supported by data to this list; “7 day NHS” it’s a complete myth more people die on a weekend, defunding Public sector pay, not paying student nurses anymore even though a large part of what they do is learned while working. Then add in the EU migrants leaving at an alarming rate...
- new299 9y ago
  I don't get it, looking at these per-capita numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea... The NHS spending levels look pretty reasonable, and have been rising. What's missing here? Is there a better resource for per-capita spending?
  - andy_ppp 9y ago
    “Total expenditure includes both public and private expenditures.” So those statistics are meaningless in this context right?
    - new299 9y ago
      Do you have a better reference for per-capita numbers? Private healthcare spending in the UK is a fraction of public spending (because even if you have private insurance in the UK, most healthcare is still provided publicly (you still go to public-funded GP/emergency and only go private if referred)). In addition to this, it's a relatively fixed fraction (~20%): https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/uk-spending-on-public-and-private-health-care https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/uk-spending-on-public...

by avar 9y ago

andy_ppp 9y ago

The population is aging and amount of money per person is going down. Inflation is higher for the NHS than for the general economy. https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ £30bn shortfall by 2020 and the NHS is being asked to save £22bn which seems impossible. You can add vanity projects that aren’t supported by data to this list; “7 day NHS” it’s a complete myth more people die on a weekend, defunding Public sector pay, not paying student nurses anymore even though a large part of what they do is learned while working. Then add in the EU migrants leaving at an alarming rate...

new299 9y ago
I don't get it, looking at these per-capita numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea... The NHS spending levels look pretty reasonable, and have been rising. What's missing here? Is there a better resource for per-capita spending?
- andy_ppp 9y ago
  “Total expenditure includes both public and private expenditures.” So those statistics are meaningless in this context right?
  - new299 9y ago
    Do you have a better reference for per-capita numbers? Private healthcare spending in the UK is a fraction of public spending (because even if you have private insurance in the UK, most healthcare is still provided publicly (you still go to public-funded GP/emergency and only go private if referred)). In addition to this, it's a relatively fixed fraction (~20%): https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/uk-spending-on-public-and-private-health-care https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/uk-spending-on-public...